Aura_Familia

Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill

Friends? Often they're the same person. Amazingly, PVEers PVP. And PVPers PVE (for something other than "get to 50 to PVP.") These are not typically completely separate groups.



<insert same back and forth we've had since PVP zones were introduced.>

If there were anything in the PVP zones that was required (no, badges are not, no, shivans, nukes and heavies are not) for the PVE game, I might feel differently. But they are not. End result: If (generic) you don't want to PVP, you never have to come across it, ever. And that's perfectly fine. No reason to be able to set yourself to "don't touch!" And no reason to (and plenty of reasons against being able to) spread PVP into the PVE world.

Originally Posted by Peacemoon

Well first, I think if you read my post in its entirety then it is explained sufficiently. This is a game where you are meant to be playing as super heroes, not pokemon. It should be about your characters and the team, not who can "cheese" a fight with powerful temporary stuff.

Second, it comes down to this:

Do you want the devs to develop and implement challenging end game content?

If no, then this doesn't apply to you.

If yes, then do you propose that all future end game content is balanced around the assumption that everyone has Shivans etc? Because that is what it will come to. I recognise these have worked for years now and that is a mistake of the devs, but I would suggest draw a line under that. Of course it is also the responsibility of the devs to make challenging fights and not just huge sacks of health with lots of regen.

P.S I'm not making accusations of people, it is perfectly legit to use these temp powers because that is how they are/were designed, but the design is wrong. That was my point.

Originally Posted by DMystic

Cross server trade has been in the game since I9



As is the invention system, as is the e-mail system.

If you want extra security for your trades, you may need to consider extra measures to ensure that security.

But again I don't really have anything against the idea, it may not be implemented because email isn't supposed to bypass the market. Don't forget that the market also serves an an inf sink, so ways to bypass that sink may go against the dev wishes and would be unlikely to get implemented.

Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven

This isn't speculation, but rather just wishful thinking. I kinda hope one of them is listening:


3) (And I pressed the submit button too soon!) A revamp of Paragon City to make it a lot more pretty. Going Rogue has now entirely spoiled us and we've seen what the game is possible of showing us. Paragon City could have a lot better looking and more unique buildings, and the streets could look a lot better than how they appear. The Rogue Isles aren't as bad, but they could probably do with some improvements themselves. Personally, I've always kind of hoped we'd get some iconic buildings for El Super Mexicano, City of Gyros, and Up and Away Burger! Much like that doughnut shop in Faultline!

Originally Posted by Steampunkette

Having played through most of the warden and power arcs -and- the entire Responsible arc...

Noone is really heroic.


SPOILERS!


The Wardens intervene against the Crusaders and Cops, trying to police their own faction, but their motive sucks. They're doing it -just- so they don't lose public opinion. Sure, there are some who think the Crusaders are doing the wrong thing, but they maintain the alliance and cover stuff up. They're also incredibly short sighted, in that they're willing to get a lot of people tortured, killed, or maimed in order to spread knowledge that will cause even -more- pain torture and death before anything gets better. Blowing up the single potable water supply so that Vanguard can be heroic when they come six months later? It smacks of the Power Arc!

In the Power Arc you manipulate the populace and media to aggrandize yourself. In one arc you need to get into a laboratory, so you try to convince the Resistance to attack it so you can go in after them, arrest them, get the data you need, and come out looking like a hero. The Wardens are -almost- doing the same thing on Vanguard's behalf. Meanwhile the Power arc isn't so horrible as people like to let on (at least through Imperial City). Sure you're self-serving, but it's more "Booster Gold" than "Doctor Doom"

The Responsible arc is, officially, the most Heroic arc I've done. You're given bad circumstances and you have to fight against the people whom you know are, at least in part, right. Why do you have to fight against them? For the good of the common man. Because they intend to get -everyone- killed in their petty plots for revenge. By the end of the Responsible Loyalist arc you exile yourself to Paragon or the Etoille in order to take down Cole and his Oligarchs. The right way, with the support and power of others, rather than bombing hospitals or starting city-wide riots. Take out Cole, Take out the Praetors, THEN rebuild. Don't randomly blow stuff up and get a ton of people killed in the process.

The Crusaders... I couldn't finish the Nova Praetoria arcs. They were just -too- vile. Gassing people, reprogramming robots into death machines to loose on the populace... It's wanton Destruction, not revolution.

-Rachel-

Originally Posted by Steampunkette

If the system worked exactly how she describes it, it would defeat the purpose of the system. It would just take up more space on the server for no reason whatsoever, since the people in the queue would otherwise have those slots.

It doesn't work that way. That's what should really be taken from the whole discussion. The nitpicking is just pointing to her conspiracy theory for what it is.

-Rachel-

Originally Posted by Arbiter_Shade

QR: I didnt read most of this because I got tired of the anti-PvP people ranting yet again against an already beaten group of individuals...

My theroy for I20? Absolute disapointment yet again. So far they have a great track record of disapointing issues for the past two years and with GR being a big joke to me along with the Party Pack.

Seriously though? I HOPE it isn't CoX 2 because what the hell was the point of making us pay for an expansion for a game that was about to go to the way side?

What I DO hope it is is some more content, an issues that feels like it actually has substance and some costumes we DON'T have to pay for.

Maybe, just MAYBE it is a revisiting of PvP with a giant banner that says, "Sorry about I13." But you know that is a REALLY crazy theroy.

Originally Posted by Obsidius

Concurred. 1 Merits per part? That would be more like it.

Originally Posted by Obsidius

From konshu:


Feasible, especially if it applies to SG bases also. However, I'm not sure how high up on the priority ladder this would be. IMPO, the popularity of the MA has diminished due to players exploiting it and the "MA babies" quagmire. If they could leverage a system towards the base architect too, including setting up NPCs (either as in-base vendors or flavor characters, or for setting up "NPC Base Raids"), it would make such a system more important.

Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan

Just hit me, and haven't followed the whole thread, so this may be a repeat:

Complex raid mechanics related to the new end game content that the want the player base to puzzle through instead of approach with rote guides. The signed NDA likely includes outlines of penalties including banning for divulging such mechanics in chat or to guide and wiki sites even AFTER the release of i20.

Originally Posted by LuxunS

The fly speed increase was only to the base fly speed. It didn't affect the maximum fly speed; the cap is still the same. The reason PBs can be successful is not so much because of the flight, but the extreme range their powers can be fired from. (100 base range, toss in some Centrioles and you can shoot from over 150ft. nearly double the average range.) Combined with travel suppression, it can be nasty.



Slow powers do next to nothing, while -fly will ground a flier.

Originally Posted by Dr_Darkspeed

I said 5 (ish) slots though, and are you assuming that I19 won't be part of the I20 beta? if so, how are people gonna be unlocking their Incarnate stuff? I'd guess when I20 goes live we'll have the first half or so of the Incarnate system, given that they seemed to have that far planned out (based on the leak on Test).

DR for Incarnate missions is a possibility, but... not sure how that would work. being an Incarnate makes you weaker than not being one?

Originally Posted by twelfth

Well I know my VG is running the COP on Saturday, has this posted yet?

Originally Posted by Dr_Darkspeed

Maybe they will call this big system the Incarnate System?

Honesatly, I don't see it being any of the other things mentioned. Changes to PvP wouldn't be a big deal. I see no reason for DR in PvE due to incarnate abilities, since the Incarnate stuff only works at level 50 and they already have the level shift mechanic to add a form of DR for that.
Its probably 5 ish levels of Incarnate stuff and all the new content, enemies and possibly zone(s) to go along with that.

Plus some other cool stuff.

Originally Posted by Lazarus

Well we still don't know what all the Incarnate slots do, so at least one of them may be for this purpose.

Originally Posted by Mr. DJ

the trial itself isn't all that hard, it's just the AV PFF hax that makes it overly difficult, once that gets fixed (don't know why it hasn't yet) it'll be cake again.

Originally Posted by LuxunS

I never mentioned anything about encouraging people to quit. If I thought that was the appropriate course of action then I would not be here. I did not ask anything of you, as I wouldn't know what to ask. The developers created a system for a target audience, the target audience did not like the product they created. They made no changes to the product to make it more attractive, and didn't switch back to the old model which proved to be more popular. Overwhelming feedback for either case goes unheeded; if I had an answer I'd provide it.



I was not attempting to condone their actions, merely trying to provide some insight.



Yea the playground is nice, and you might like it enough to stay and endure the bullying. But it seems every month more kids think about leaving the playground and going to the one across town; they get to have fun and don't have to deal with bullies. I hear in 2 months a nice shiny new playground is being built a few blocks away and these bullies can't go there.

Originally Posted by Obsidius

Really, the only way an I13 rollback would occur is if travel suppression wasn't necessary. Which leads back to reworking player models to be able to move and attack simultaneously. Otherwise, you're right back to PvP being a club for only Super Jump or Super Speed.

Originally Posted by VoodooGirl

Added a link to Blazing Tiger's CoP Guide and the two Aspects of Rularuu that may be encountered.