AlienOne

That was pretty funny.

On the topic at hand....Wow. Someone started a thread obviously meant to berate a person who can't even show his face around here anymore?

Lotta hate around here, I guess...

"The One"

Yes, part of the gamer groupmind, but obviously not exactly what you described (which was not feeling the need to put high-end stuff in both builds, because as I explained before...I do--which, obviously, is a different mindset than your description. Obviously.)

Yup. That's exactly what I do. Got me. You're good. Almost too good. Are you a psychologist AND a doctor? You gotta be RICH! Can I has your stuff?

Of all the things I agree with, this is the one I agree with the most. Definitely a qualatative difference in posts. One of us throws insults about idiocy, feces, and ignorance, and the other refuses to participate in the poo-flinging monkey business.

LoLz. "Us." As if you represent the community as a whole. You're truly getting worse... Is it the age? Or just that argumentative nature?

That said, yes, I agree. It's not "aimed" at the average gamers. I agreed with that before. I just stated (damn, I hate repeating myself to people who believe they "above" me in some way) that I kinda feel sorry for those guys, because they have equal "right" (imo) to want to be "l337" in the gaming world as the rest of us. They just aren't afforded the time. Which is their fault, of course.

Also agreed. That's why I've got what I need (ok, want) on both builds. Too bad everyone can't do it.

I still don't see your "results." Did you hold a "poll" of some sort? Where are these percentages you're getting? Sure, I'll hand it to 'ya that it isn't "doubled," but I'll also consider your broad, sweeping statements about the CoH community (as if you represent them) as "blather" as well, until I can actually see some verifiable proof. Is providing that so hard to do? Links? Graphs? Posted numbers from Devs? Anything? Bueller?

Still looking for where I said "several" lifetimes... Didn't realize you might start resorting to exaggerating quotes to sway public opinion... You're starting to remind me of some poiliticians I know.

If gamers aren't intended to IO out every character they have, why are those slots there? Why are there IOs? What's stopping them from attempting this? Is there a "cap" to the amount of toons you can IO out that I don't know about? Link to patch notes plz?

"The One"

How does it apply to me or my friends if we're wanting to IO out both our builds? We're not exactly fitting into that psychology you just explained if we're doing that, are we? Are you actually that dense, or are you just trying to be argumentative?

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LOLZ. Reversing your stance already? Man, stop backpedalin'... I'm just messin' around with 'ya... Get a grip!

I expected as much, since you have no actual proof of what comes out of your mouth. When I see it, I'll shut up. But, if I just see someone stating their personal opinions as "facts," I call BS. Oh, but that's what you're accusing me of, though... Oops... Forgot you were the only one allowed to do this on the forums. My bad.

*EDIT* Sorry for the confusion... I was referring to WWs when talking about buying purples and PvP IOs... Not MA. My MA comments were referring to the impact on the market, not PvP.

I apologize for that confusion there. Just caught it.

"The One"

Dude. You're awesome. Now please send Obsidian_Force2 a tell about someone making the choice to play an all-human-form Kheld. He needs it.

:P

J/K..... But seriously....Do it.

"The One"

All right, I could get behind this. Doensn't apply to me or any of my friends personally, but I could definitely see how that "psychology" would apply to the "masses."


Ok, so if I promise to learn how to interpret data, can you promise to learn how to interpret an attack?


I'll answer the "facts" once I actually see them. So far, it's only word of mouth. From you. Which most DEFINITELY doesn't make it "fact."

How does it have "zero" impact if people are buying them for 5 billion? That's an "impact," however minor or light it may be...

Can I make your ignore list now, so you don't have to keep avoiding my questions?

"The One"

I'm going to be so HONORED when it finally "happens" for me... I can't wait! I might actually change my location from San Bernardino, CA to "Nethergoat's ignore list!"

Seriously... Online threats are so immature... I would have thought someone as "experienced" (not sure about old) as Nethergoat would be above that. Especially when speaking to someone who rarely posts his own opinions outside of the Kheldian section of the forums....lol



"The One"

And... You got this conclusion...how? Seriously, what's your deal, Bro?

According to... you? Where are you getting these "facts"? Are the Devs posting their actual numbers from the game somewhere I don't know about? Or are you making the bold claim that you see all and know all in the game, based on what you see in the market? And how many people would you say in the game don't use the market? Would you be able to "accurately" post those numbers?

For someone who has so many posts and claims to know the game so well, a lot of what you say seems pretty similar to your own claim of what you're saying I'm doing. Lighten up, man. It's going to be ok.

As stated before, and as I'm stating yet again, I. AM. NOT. PERSONALLY. HAVING. A. PROBLEM. WITH. THIS. Dur? Got it now? Or do I gotta break it down in Arkansas-speak? (j/k)


I'll hand 'ya that one. I have no numbers on that. Seems that the prices went up with the "supply" though, which is strange in economics... :/

So, you're a doctor now? You're quickly becoming my favorite entertainment on the boards. I might become your biggest fan! Sure you want that? :P

I'm assuming you meant "hasn't" on the supply of purples/PvP recipes, which is actually what I was referring to in my original post, and also what this thread was talking about. I thought you were paying attention.


I'm sooooooooooooooooooo afraid of you now! *hides*

/sarcasm

"The One"

So, as of right now, since both you and I are throwing out what we "think," nothing is concrete.

Unless you have some actual numbers somwhere I can check out.

That'd be grrreeaaaat... Mmmmkay?

Seriously though, it just sounds like we're speaking from our own personal experiences... I know when dual builds were released, I wanted to created builds for "different roles" on ALL my toons, and have many friends who are now doing the same. It sounds as if you are not really interested in the whole dual build thing, and have several friends who are not as well. Therefore, we're both just stating our own personal opinion on stats, based on our own attitude on it, and who we know personally who thinks the same way we do.

In either case, it DID increase demand on the market, while AE DID decrease supply *somewhat*. So, therefore, the problem remains (or grows larger, depending on your point of view)... It's now become quite a bit more expensive to set our your toon. Now, as stated before, I don't have a problem with it, but when talking with new players in the game who can't even fathom how to afford certain "needed" IOs on every toon they make.... I wind up echoing their sentiments on the boards... "Why so expensive? It would take me FOREVER to get that!" We all know it doesn't... But, we're all experienced players and know how to work the game to our advantage. For someone new, or someone who isn't getting the drops their striving for, it can be enough to make them quit--which isn't what ANYONE here wants, unless they have a death-wish for the game, of course.

"The One"

You're exactly right. And I hadn't placed myself in the category of "casual player." I'm actually a pretty hardcore gamer when it comes right down to it--been hardcore at it for at least 20 years. But, that's not the point...

I was basically trying think of the "little guy," when it comes to this sort of thing... Maybe I have too much "compassion" for a hardcore-gamer-type, but still... Just seems wrong that only 14-year old boys and people like me who are currently out of a job should be the only ones who have the sets that can "set" them above the rest, especially when it comes to PvP.

But, then again... I'm not *personally* experiencing any problems getting what I need for my toons... But, it kinda pains me to see posts like the OP's post who says they actually put the time and effort forth to get drops like that every day, and that still doesn't seem to cut it.

Luck of the draw, I guess.

"The One"

I was going off of what others had previously stated in this thread. Not off of something off the top of my head. Maybe you should actually read the thread before throwing out insults and making yourself look stupid.

Then again... Who am I kidding? Carry on.

"The One"

You know, I would have probably been on the naysayers side of the glowing touch issue (I don't have it myself on my PB), but after doing two all-Kheld iTFs recently on my tri-form build WS teamed with a couple bad-*** Human-only PBs who HAD it and managed to save my butt a few times from the brink of death on those TFs....

....I'm kinda likin' it now. I guess you never really fully appreciate a power until you realize its potential.

"The One"

This is the biggest thing that jumped out at me in this whole thread...the fact that dual builds only complicates things, since the drop rates have stayed the same since dual builds were released.

Dual builds (and the *possible* ability in the future to have even MORE builds on a single character, according to some of the Devs at Comic-Con) is a big issue... By having a 2nd build, you've just effectively doubled the amount of demand on the market. That has to have at least some effect on supply/demand... I know I took advantage of the dual-build thing when it came out, because I was interested in expanding the abilities of my Kheldians (one build human form, one build tri-form, and in the future... *maybe* a dual-form build and a PvP build)...

Now, considering the fact that both builds are purpled out (Five 5-slotted sets--I did both builds before AE, thank the gods), my single toon "VestigeOne" on today's post-AE markets could be worth up to 10 billion.

You guys are talking about making 150 million in 150 hours as if it's nothing... So, say a "hardcore" player wants to "purple out" both builds (say, PvE and PvP) on a single toon. That's going to take him four to five years to earn that much playing 40 hours a week... And most people who have jobs and a family can't put in that amount of time, but this is for the sake of the math based off of what YOU guys have stated the "average" player can earn per hour according to this thread. Now, someone could easily get more influence than that by doing a "54 boss farm" in AE or something like that, but this game doesn't encourage farming....right?

Now, take into consideration that a person can make, what? 30 toons per server? Maybe it's more... I can't remember off the top of my head. And each of those toons can have TWO builds.

Even the most hardcore player in the WORLD (who most likely doesn't play this game...haha) would not be able to set out all those toons based on your "average influence earned" in the lifetime of this game. So, basically, unless you pay money to those influence companies, or you don't have a job and play ungodly amounts of hours per week , you're not going to be able to ever really afford to "set out" a build with purples OR PvP IOs with post-AE prices, barring the extremely occasional "luck of the draw" drops.

And people say this game doesn't encourage farming.

What a crock.

"The One"

LoL. This coming from someone who has a sig which is actually larger in size.

*starts humming a familiar Alanis Morissette song*

"The One"