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Quote:I've seen an Emp/Rad solo a level 50 AV without Lore Pets. (In fact I paid Auroxis to do so.)...an Emp/something defender did it sometime ago (solo a GM), I don't remember which pets were tho...
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...35#post3759435
I've never seen an emp/anything defender solo a GM (with or without Lore Pets).
Consider this...
The level 50 AV Auroxis soloed had 28,271.70 hp
(http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Archvillain).
Since AVs regen 5% of their HP every 15 seconds it means that AV was regenerating 94.239 hp per second. (Pretty much any AT can overcome this.)
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Health_Regeneration
However, the GM I fought had 69,195 hp
Since GMs regen 5% of HP every 10 seconds it means that the GM I killed was regenerating 345.975 hp per second.
That is a huge difference.
Remember with T4 offensive Lore Pets you have 5 minutes to beat the GM down. Which means that even with the strongest Lore Pets you still have to contribute far more than appx 100 DPS for that 5 minutes to win.
Taking out the 209 DPS from my Warworks Lore Pets it would seem that I was pumping out 375 DPS for that appx 4 minutes and 50 seconds of this fight.
Quote:...i noticed that this was done in MA...isnt a GM in MA less harmful than one say found in game in their respective zones? just curious
However, you can design the map (i.e. enemy type, patrols, ambushes etc. to help you out...)I believe that this thread will answer all of your questions.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...=276534&page=3
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Quote:Quarry along with other DE Monsters are available in certain A.E. missions as Giant Monsters.WHO DARES SUMMON MEEEEEEE
heh, I don't usually mess with fighting monsters etc, but assuming the info I got off paragonwiki is correct, you were doing approximately 584.58 dps. (includes whatever resistance the monster has to your damage types)
I know the name of that thing says "Giant Monster," but it's actually showing "Monster" ranking, so I used Monster rank hp to calculate.
His level range is 38-54. Against him at -1 dif he has 69195 hp. Meaning he was regenerating 345.975 hitpoints per second. (5% hp every 10 seconds)
At +4 dif he has 76695 hp.
Thanks for the calc it is the same thing I got.
So...Warworks put out 209 dps? Meaning me and my fluffies were putting out appx. 375 DPS for 4 minutes and 50 seconds.
Quote:Tough crowd, eh Abe? So, next time, try it with only envenomed daggers and inspirations.
(I still think it's pretty impressive for a non debuffer to take a GM down, Lore pets or no.)
Reminds me of when I first posted soloing AVs a few months ago with my WS then my PB.
Highlights that followed...
PB soloing AV. No Lore Pets or temps. (mostly in Dwarf - before the recent changes)
WS soloing AV. (with no incarnate powers or temps of any kind...like it had to be done back in the day.)
WS soloing a Level 54 AV with no lore pets or temps.
Come to think of it, I reckon I should put those on my sig. Along with this GM killage...even though I used lore pets...
I suppose that when someone else accomplishes or surpasses that which is placed upon my "resume" I'll remove it and return to obscurity....hmmm...
Quote:I hate to be a downer, but I'm pretty sure any archetype can solo Giant Monsters with no temps if they're using Lore pets.
I'm pretty sure that you're wrong.
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Quote:Dear Bionut911 (a.k.a "Speedy"),Even still THB. That's street cred' in my book. Lore pets or not. And he did it tri-form as well.
Good Job Abe
I recently composed the following and posted it under Protector's Kheldian Fridays tab. As you have, apparently, not read it I reproduce it here once more for your enlightenment.
"
For the record...
AIB stands for Alien in Black. (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_in_Black)
One pronounces my title correctly when he or she speaks each letter clearly and distinctly.
Contrary to the uninformed opinion of some (names withheld to protect the guilty) , it is not to be pronounced "Abe" or "EyeB" or "AhEEEB" or any number of other random variations.
I refer you to the following song...
http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/meninblack/meninblack.htm
That's right. AIB - Alien in Black - Galaxy Defender!
If you wish you may call me Mr. AIB.
I thank you in advance for your understanding and compliance."
Have a nice day.
Sincerely,
AIB -
Quote:I've never seen or read of anyone else doing it. Not that there isn't, perhaps, some UberShade out there lurking in the shadows doing things left and right that no other shade has ever done. One who sits back and laughs as he reads people pronouncing what is "impossible" for Kheldians to do, knowing the whole time that they either have done it or can do it...I think anyone who shows off doing anything with Lore pets is under utilizing their character. Anyone can do anything with those things, especially when it comes to Warworks and Monsters.. They debuff regen.
Regarding the -regen, from what I have read elsewhere on the forums it is heavily resisted by Giant Monsters and as such the amount of -regen the Warworks pets put out does not have a significant effect over the course of a 5 minute long GM battle. I have been told that Longbow has far better -regen for GMs.
I affirm that even a little bit of -regen helps. It helped me enough to win. And experience is golden.
I know that Cimeroran pets put out the highest DPS against a ST (Warworks are ranked #2) but Cims may not have done as well as the Warworks in this scenario because this GM (Quarry) has, I believe, 40 resistance to Lethal damage.
Also, I did this at -1 x1...I'm thinking now that it might be easier fighting a GM at a higher level than myself because of this...
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Giant_Monsters
In particular notice the part that says...- If you are a higher level than the Giant Monster, you will do damage to it as if you were its level.
- If you are a lower level than the Giant Monster, you will do damage to it as if it was one level lower than you.
- A Giant Monster does damage to you as if it were your level.
As for the "under utilizing" remark...know that I like leveraging my "weaker than Human only" Triform Warshade to accomplish the "impossible."
I don't know about you fine folks, but I for one am glad that there is at least 1 Giant Monster out there for which a Warshade does not need teammates and/or temporary pets to defeat.
Now go forth and slay some more.
And be sure to post a picture of you sucking out Lusca's many tentacled soul...
P.S. You only get full street cred for that when you don't use teammates, temps and/or Lore Pets.
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Difficulty -1x1
Alpha Slot - T4 Warworks - T4 Barrier - T4 Void - T4 Reactive
Call to Justice - Large Inspirations.
Still searching for street cred.
Of course, the Level 54 AV soloage without pets was much more difficult than this... -
For the record...
AIB stands for Alien in Black. (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_in_Black)
One pronounces my title correctly when he or she speaks each letter clearly and distinctly.
Contrary to the uninformed opinion of some (names withheld to protect the guilty) , it is not to be pronounced "Abe" or "EyeB" or "AhEEEB" or any number of other random variations.
I refer you to the following song...
http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/meninblack/meninblack.htm
That's right. AIB - Alien in Black - Galaxy Defender!
If you wish you may call me Mr. AIB.
I thank you in advance for your understanding and compliance. -
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Have to keep it short...so here is a quick recommendation.
Unless you are using Boxing and Kick as part of your attack chain, which I doubt, you should drop one of them and let Brawl be the Kin Combat set mule.
This will lead you to pick Tough instead. Whether or not you ever use it, Tough can be slotted with one of your 3% Def enhancements (I recommend the Glad 3%).
This in turn, will free up the 2nd slot you have placed into Incandescense. -
Quote:I don't even use many toggles on my khelds and I realize how much this would greatly improve many peoples play experience....
I think as of right now, the biggest concern to me for Khelds is TOGGLE SUPPRESSION. Seriously. I have no reason whatsoever, performance wise, to take forms on my level 50 Peacebringer, when doing level appropriate content.. give us toggle suppression. I'm grovelling right now.
Quote:...Dwarf is laughable. If you can give me even ONE reason why I should take dwarf over human after the I-21 changes, please do. And no, auto-hit taunt doesn't count. With a 2.4 accuracy (if memory serves) I never missed with it in the first freaking place.
1. Because I like Dwarf, after all, it (as well as Nova) has as Socorro said, a certain..."kewlness" to it.
2. Because I don't have to chase any of the enemies on which I use Dwarf Flare.
Quote:...the one thing that surprised me about these changes is the animation changes make me want to play my Peacebringer even less.
Later folks. -
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So, what is the plan for tonight's "ALL KHELD ACTION"???
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Quote:In order...
...I haven't even tried her at 54, but I think I'll be moving onto bigger and better things anyways. Perhaps a solo moITF, or if I can find enough food to keep me in Sunless Mire, soloing Scrappy.
1. You should.
2. BTW you I discovered that you CAN put GMs on large outdoor AE missions . Scrappy GM fight ftw!
Quote:...Human Form only, on a High-End budget and with the right playstyle, will be more survivable, do more ST damage, have higher survivability, and do more steady AoE damage than Tri Form. ...It just so happens that with maximum investment, Human Form out performs Tri Form...I don't wish to imply with any of my posts that Tri Form Warshades can't do awesome stuff-- Quite the opposite. They can do awesome stuff, they excel past Human Only on almost every budget except the highest end...Even then, AIB or Dechs won't dispute that Human Only has an overall performance edge-
1. Budget, Build and Playstyle/ability are all important factors.
2. Human forms can have a higher level of defense without inspirations or buffs. Additionally, they can use powers that heal without having to shift forms (which saves time)...Dwarf has one heal attack but human can have one of those too. Their resistance numbers (given enough enemies) can be, because of Eclipse, identical.
3. Human form does not ALWAYS have a higher Single Target (ST) attack chain than Dwarf or Nova. It is build dependent. But, you say, "We are looking at max ST damage!" Well, here is the thing about which I would like to know more.
Is the optimal human attack chain with ONLY fully saturated Sunless Mire still dishing out more damage than Dwarf ST attack chain with fully saturated Sunless Mire and fully saturated Dwarf Mire. You see, in large groups I can stay at 300% damage (damage cap) without inspirs. Whereas a human form typically stays at around 150%ish without inspirs.
4. Regarding AOE damage Triforms can be at the damage cap using Dwarf Mire (a PbAOE attack) additionally they have 2 fast charging (on nice builds) AOE attacks...one that hits 10 targets and one that hits 16. That is a whole lotta hurt that (when at 300% damage cap) I think puts out more damage than Human AOE attacks (including orbiting death) at 150%ish.
(I could be wrong. I am basing this upon my "feel" for things.) But even if the numbers are higher with Human builds...I'm going to stick with Tri-Form. In my book, Tri-Forms get "style points."
Now, apart from all that stuff, regarding this particular Level 54 AV fight...
I tried it 6 or 7 times and failed...Then my Global buddy, Apolinus, signed in, I borrowed a billion influence from him. Got my Fury of the Gladiator -res proc, put it in Dwarf Mire (got rid of the Damage enh I had in there)....and defeated it...check this...the first time. I don't know if it was the previous practice, or if the proc is THAT good, or if it was a psychological thing or what...but that is what happened and it was glorious.
The thing about this fight is that I did it on +4x8. And because of Dwarf Taunt (and frankly..skill (though some might prefer the word luck)) I was able to keep out three Extracted Essences regularly thereby slowly beating down the AV. I was also buffing off of groups (damage at 300%) and Dwarf Meleeing her.
Human forms will have a lot more trouble keeping the enemies off of the EEs (Provoke...??? Antagonize...???), which is certainly essetial for a Tri-Forms ability to overcome the AVs massive regen. I think EEs would also be necessary for a Human form to overcome the AV's regen rate...
At anyrate, my thoughts on the matter. -
I didn't get enough street cred for my last post.
What is all this, "Tri-Forms are inferior" nonsense that I keep hearing??? (O.K. so maybe that is a paraphrase...)
No lore pets. No temp powers.
Used T3 inspirations plus whatever dropped. Used Call to Power when available.
T4 Destiny, Interface and Judgment.
Alpha slotted.
I created an AE mission titled "AIB vs. Bobcat" for this purpose.
AIB won.
Enjoy.
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Any suggestions for this evening's all kheld mission(s)?
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Quote:Yeah. It took awhile. I am able to cap my damage when surrounded by many and can keep her off of my Extracted Essences when there are small groups.Jeesus, awesome job dude. You just pounded her down in Dwarf? Ya got balls, that must've taken forever. Maybe if I find a mission with enemies who don't have defense debuffs and bring a tray full of big red inspirations, I can take her down at +4.
Yeah, the trick with those defense debuffs is to use shield inspirations early to avoid a cascading effect.
I orginally had smashing enemies on that A.E. mission. But many shades prefer -def to getting stunned....Personally, I prefer getting stunned...for obvious reasons. -
Sweet.
I suppose that you need not keep your damage capped with the superior DPS human attack chain.
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(Since Sept is my pal (Protector is our home - though lately he has been hoochin' around esp. on Virtue) I know that he is not going to perceive this post as an affront. Figured that I'd state that at the outset since some of you may not know that we are friends.)
Um, yeah, Tri-Forms can do it too.
T4 - Void, Reactive, Destiny, Alpha Slot
Used big inspirs and call to power...
No lore pets or any temp powers.
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THB -
Did you just gloss over my Grant Invisibility comment? -
For a moment I thought that you were suggesting that people could actually grow weary of playing their Warshade(s).
Burnout...nope...I can't work it in.
I would have to drop something from the med or the concealment pool and that just ain't gonna happen. After all, Grant Invisibility is a must. -
Since the two of you are clearly enamored with invisibility, as well as one another, I thought that you'd enjoy this song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbhOVKhwO_4
Now...about this Friday...
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I'll be welcoming the noobs this week too. Although, mostly on and after Wednesday.
Perhaps, by my actions, I will inspire some of them to start playing as Khelds. -
Now that is some funny stuff.
Stone, you just got pwned! -
Quote:Interspersed in quote...The 'shades won, of course.
Largely due to my hubris. Thanks to me we were on +4 x8 on the first mission. We should have dropped it and started over...instead...we wound up completing it.
I apologize for my arrogance team.
Afterwards, we went and ran the Manticore TF. We lost some people due to exhaustion, but we picked up someone who was forgetting what today was!
That was fun. And the PBs really shined...especially the ones with LF.
And someone yet again cast grant invis on Septipheran for the group photo...
Like i said...It wasn't me.
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Quote:Very, well.I shall amend the motion, and insist that we run it twice for 2 hero merits.
I move that this evening, September 23, 2011, we undertake the current Signature Hero Story Arc (Part 1) for this week's all Kheld TF AND that we run it twice for 2 hero merits.
Is there a 2nd?