_gohan661_

This is what i would do if i was gunna level all the way to 50 before putting sets in (like i know you do) theres alot of slots spare this way so obviously i just put random stuff in at 50 i would respec out combat training offensive and get in Spin

Level 50 Natural Night Widow
Primary Power Set: Widow Training
Secondary Power Set: Teamwork
Power Pool: Fitness

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Poison Dart <ul type="square">[*] (A) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (3) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (31) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (45) Range IO: Level 50[/list]Level 1: Combat Training: Defensive <ul type="square">[*] (A) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (3) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (7) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[/list]Level 2: Combat Training: Offensive <ul type="square">[*] (A) Accuracy IO: Level 50[*] (5) Accuracy IO: Level 50[*] (11) Accuracy IO: Level 50[/list]Level 4: Mental Blast <ul type="square">[*] (A) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (5) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (13) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (33) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[/list]Level 6: Dart Burst <ul type="square">[*] (A) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (7) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (11) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (34) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (43) Range IO: Level 50[/list]Level 8: Tactical Training: Maneuvers <ul type="square">[*] (A) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (9) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (23) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (50) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50[/list]Level 10: Indomitable Will <ul type="square">[*] (A) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (37) Resist Damage IO: Level 50[*] (37) Resist Damage IO: Level 50[/list]Level 12: Swift <ul type="square">[*] (A) Run Speed IO: Level 50[*] (13) Run Speed IO: Level 50[/list]Level 14: Lunge <ul type="square">[*] (A) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (15) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (15) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (34) Slow IO: Level 50[*] (48) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (48) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50[/list]Level 16: Health <ul type="square">[*] (A) Healing IO: Level 50[*] (17) Healing IO: Level 50[*] (17) Healing IO: Level 50[/list]Level 18: Build Up <ul type="square">[*] (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (19) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (19) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[/list]Level 20: Stamina <ul type="square">[*] (A) Endurance Modification IO: Level 50[*] (21) Endurance Modification IO: Level 50[*] (21) Endurance Modification IO: Level 50[/list]Level 22: Mental Training <ul type="square">[*] (A) Run Speed IO: Level 50[*] (23) Run Speed IO: Level 50[/list]Level 24: Mask Presence <ul type="square">[*] (A) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (25) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (25) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (36) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (48) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (50) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[/list]Level 26: Mind Link <ul type="square">[*] (A) HamiO:Membrane Exposure[*] (27) HamiO:Membrane Exposure[*] (27) HamiO:Membrane Exposure[/list]Level 28: Tactical Training: Leadership <ul type="square">[*] (A) To Hit Buff IO: Level 50[*] (29) To Hit Buff IO: Level 50[*] (29) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50[/list]Level 30: Foresight <ul type="square">[*] (A) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (31) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (31) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (37) Resist Damage IO: Level 50[*] (46) Resist Damage IO: Level 50[/list]Level 32: Eviscerate <ul type="square">[*] (A) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (33) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (33) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (40) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (46) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (46) Accuracy IO: Level 50[/list]Level 35: Placate <ul type="square">[*] (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (36) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (36) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[/list]Level 38: Elude <ul type="square">[*] (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (39) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (39) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (39) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (40) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[*] (40) Defense Buff IO: Level 50[/list]Level 41: Psychic Scream <ul type="square">[*] (A) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (42) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (42) Damage Increase IO: Level 50[*] (42) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (43) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (43) Range IO: Level 50[/list]Level 44: Smoke Grenade <ul type="square">[*] (A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (45) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50[*] (45) Range IO: Level 50[/list]Level 47: Tactical Training: Assault <ul type="square">[*] (A) Endurance Reduction IO: Level 50[/list]Level 49: Tatical Training: Vengeance <ul type="square">[*] (A) HamiO:Membrane Exposure[*] (50) Healing IO: Level 50[/list]------------
Level 1: Arachnos Training <ul type="square">[*] (A) Empty[/list]Level 1: Sprint <ul type="square">[*] (A) HamiO:Microfilament Exposure[*] (9) HamiO:Microfilament Exposure[*] (34) HamiO:Microfilament Exposure[/list]Level 2: Rest <ul type="square">[*] (A) Empty[/list]------------
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personally i would drop hasten and SS slot swift and mental training with 2 run speeds and slot sprint with 3 (swapping them out for HOs later) in order to take the other powers i would take placate alot earlier if not for the aggro management for the crit chance AoE.
would take Combat Training: Offensive, and take leadership around 20 (after stamina) and save lots of slots by not slotting any acc (done this on my bane and no problems hitting plus its a team buff alot earlier)
poisen dart does not need recharge redux even if you have a spare slot ... put it in elude for the extra def cuz even with elude your no where near cap. infact quiet a few powers seem slotted weird for max efficency in PvE i'll do one for ya for you to compare and take the best bits from both

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Or, there's no official stance on the SoAs as to their "roles".

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Fact epic ATs ARN'T supposed to have specific roles

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So, the answer to my question was no. Fair enough.

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No, all VEATs solo as well as each other

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It's not better suited for soloing.

It's not better suited for teaming.

It's not better suited for melee.

It's not better suited for range.

It's not better suited for PvP.

It's not better suited for PvE.


It's clear the devs had no specific role in mind for banes.

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you really do say the same thing over and over mate you dont think outside the box you dont consider other ppls oppinion you just regergitate the same old thing

and epic ATs aint supposed to have a specific role indeed specific roles are only in Heroes villains aint even got specific roles as all can solo
dominaters easy to solo
stalkers just as easy
brutes just as easy
corrupters just as easy
mastermind just as easy
yea and i am willing to bet... Banes just as easy
(try soloing with certain hero AT and powerset combinations!)

Glad to see its not just me who is going to go travel powerless

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Give how rude some people where to BAB when he did come over it's not suprising he hasn't been back.

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how is it rude asking questions? He puts up with it over on US boards why not here

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In my experience survivability isn't always in the shields but you do have to look at what shields you do have most of the time.

It doesn't matter what I do with a Bane, Wide Area Web Grenade and Web Cocoon simply seem to be a good idea to control and to kite when necessary.

Now in taking them I don't know if people are dropping in DPS but in using them on anything you reduce the enemies DPS. Lower DPS later streakbreaks, chance to heal self, time to regen. Ranged attacks from kiting web grenaded mobs are lower in Damage and less likely to hit. Cocooned enemies don't debuff you, perhaps lowering your dps.

Most definitely in teams generally I can't see a problem without them but solo..maybe. I'd like to watch someone solo. Solo I'd probably value control over debuff. I might choose Wide Area Web Grenade over Venom Grenade in order to kite easier in order to rely on my range def. Venom would help me defeat faster but sometimes the tortoise beats the hare.

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100% /agree

if nothing else placate is a good burst damage enducer

Yep thats hard! tho i will be going the none travel power way again for 2 reasons
2 more powers for the choosing
never seen a superspeeding SoA!

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Looking over it, I think leaving out a travel power might be a good idea. It's just a matter of having enough slots for Swift, Mental Training and Sprint.
Noticed mental Training isn't available to 22 though.

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this is my worry but its only prelim and until 50 and IO sets wont need to be slotting Acc into powers so 3 dam will be plenty in attacks and defences arent as routine as a tankers wont need to 3 slot them all tactics and assault wont have 3 in (untill free slots for tactics).
only powers i am thinking need 6 slotting are the pets and serum.
not gunna sit here counting up slots and putting them in the right position cba

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No travel power? A bold move.

While I was doing builds, I thought I have a bash at a crab. This build isn't really intended for play below level 28 or so.

1) Channelgun
1) Crab Spider Armor Upgrade
2) Longfang
4) Combat Training: Defensive
6) Combat Jumping
8) Suppression
10) Tactical Training: Maneuvers
12) Venom Grenade
14) Superjump
16) Mental Training
18) Tactical Training: Assault
20) Hurdle
22) Health
24) Fortification
26) Stamina
28) Serum
30) Tactical Training: Leadership
32) Omega Maneuver
35) Summon Spiderlings
38) Call Reinforcements
41) School of Sharks (LM)
44) Bile Spray (LM)
47) Summon Guardian (LM)
49) Aim

Edit: having given it some thought, I think there is a lot to be said for a pure ranged build. A melee build would also be an option.

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i like this build altho it has a few powers i would take (the reason i dint take travel) left out
your builds seem ok but the reasoning behind them passes me by whereas you run by numbers i run by experience (yea i know everyones got that) and logic based on that experience (advantages of asphergers )
but we come to the same conclusion ...this time! (except your sheild nerfs i dont care for them)

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Ok, here is a build up to 50:

1) Mace Beam
1) Bane Spider Armor Upgrade
2) Wolf Spider Armor
4) Combat Training: Defensive
6) Hasten
8) Build Up
10) Tactical Training: Maneuvers
12) Hurdle
14) Superspeed
16) Pulverise
18) Shatter
20) Health
22) Stamina
24) Cloaking Device
26) Placate
28) Surveillance
30) Poisonous Ray
32) Tactical Training: Assault
35) Mental Training
38) Call Reinforcements
41) Crowd Control
44) Web Cocoon
47) Mace Beam Blast
49) Tactical Training: Leadership



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1 attack untill level 16 GTFO! Your building an offencive AT not a Tank!

i agree with most of your power pics but your order is well off mate!
Like whats the point in BU with only 1 attack?
You have a very one track mind, sometimes the best defence is a good offence. Being able to stand there getting hit dont mean toss if you cant kill them

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Compare Crab spiders. Team buffs: equal. Team damage: far superior because of aoes, suvivability: far superior. What team would want a bane spider when a crab spider was available?

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AoE is not always superior to single targets especially when the AT has very little in the way of damage mitigation

Yes in a super VEAT team a crab might kill more due to AoE kill steals but in the average team (which yes in a month or so after i12 will start happening again) both spiders will be just as potent as the other
Crabs with there AoE and more pets will do alot of wide spread damage (and thus take alot of aggro which leads to the we need healer on team line) or Bane spider who will have ALOT less damage and placate as a damage increaser/escape too. with the less but just as strong pets its gunna be alright for banes.
Are you the type of person who sits and decides you need a ranged damage x2 one debuffer one healer one meatsheild ect per team?
because that kinda thought process is not only unfair (to the ATs you reject) but is also completely unfounded

ppl said stalkers couldent do MoRSF because they bring nothing to the table, I did it. ppl said HEATs cant PvP sufficently. i got all the PvP badges with my PB.
the list can go on.
What works on paper does not always work in practice.

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Here are some ajustments I suggested in another thread:

Wolf Spider Armour. Increas S/L res to 9%. Remove psi resistance.

Reasoning: Buffs wolf and bane spiders. Should make level 1-24 less of a slog. 3% buffs arn't worth slotting, but 9% buffs are. 2% psi resist is worthless. Gives Crab spiders reason to take this power as well as Crab Spider Upgrade.

Crab Spider Armor Upgrade: Remove S/L/Psi resistance. Add 9% Fire/Cold/NRG/Neg/Tox. Add mag 2 KB protection (slottable like new Acro but 100%).

Reasons: Should complement rather than replace Wolf Spider Armor more. This is an upgrade to protect you from a greater range of threats. All that heavy crab armor should make you harder to knock back.

Fortification: Reduce F/C/NRG/Neg/Tox resistance to 15%.

Reason: To balance changes to other armours.


Other powers unchanged.


This would give:

Bane:
Resistance: +16.5% S/L, 7.5% rest
Def: +21.25% ranged, +13.75% rest
Mez prot: mag 6
+hp: 20%
Crab:
Resistance: +24% S/L, +0% Psi, 24% rest
Def: +17.5% ranged, +10% rest
Mez prot: mag 14.3
+hp: 40%
Self Heal

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ummm no
for all the reasons Syracuse stated

This is my first thoughts on a crab build would just like to see ppls oppinion. this build seems good.

Ow and dont comment on the obvious lack of travel its done intentionally (and dont say it dont work cuz i have done it on my reflex scrapper and i am plenty fast enough)

This build can team and solo. my only worry was damage mitigation

1)crab armour
1)Channel gun
2)Combat Training: Defensive
4)longfang
6)swift
8)Combat Training: Offensive
10)Tactical Training: Maneuvers
12)Suppression
14)health
16)Arm lash
18)Wolf Spider Armor
20)stamina
22)Mental Training
24)Fortification
26)Tactical Training: Leadership
28)Serum
30)Tactical Training: Assault
32)Omega Maneuver
35)Summon Spiderlings
38)Call Reinforcements
41)Electrifying fences
44)mu lighting
47)summon striker
49)frenzy

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With Banes I see a variety of types that can be made. Each type is better suited to different people, with different playstyles and who play in different team make ups. Sometimes you have to think

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The trouble is, with Banes, atm there is only one play style that works, and that is to team up with at least 4 other Arachnos soldiers so you can hit the def soft cap.

This is not true of any of the other 3 SoA, which work fine with a variety of builds and play styles.

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I dont know which bane your looking at but all i see is awesomeness

how are they weaker than crabs?
Crabs get a toggle res power and a self heal
Banes get a hide power (with the def!) and a +hp move earlier. they get placate which the can get executioner strikes and crits from also a decent hold
crabs get some weak [censored] spiders at -2 levels.
banes get build up which has use
crabs get aim.... and with all the +acc its completly redundant.
yea so crabs probably will be in melee more (arguable) i dont see how there servivablity is less than other ATs (well fortuana has the controlls so thats obvious)

Imo banes will be killing enemies faster than crabs with less aggro (or atleast the same speed but still with less aggro)

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and as all ppl go so crazy all the time with "EEK lethal and smash dmg is useless in highlvl" is it just another whinehype or is it the truth? i mean if i fought a dominator, my dmgtype count for BIP doesnt it? he dont got any defense anyway

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Truth or whinehype? Well, you might want to ask a merc/ MM about his opinion... but then again, perhaps you don't.

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Dont.. just dont

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its not so bad with stuns holds as you can detoggle but your not going to be taking many melee chars down

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cool, but its is noticeable in pvp then i guess?

Sounds like that SR is greatly underpowered compared to nin.

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well no
you dodge a hell of alot all the time with SR but nin you get hit alot when not hidden... you NEED a heal with nin and imo you need the AoE placate if your going to forfill your potential in melee. whereas SR can dodge long time and not need a heal(debatable)


eerr after looking on mids i take almost all that back!
if you slot both sets with level 50 IOs (standard) 3 times with defence this is how it looks

Nin/ SR
smash 8.9 / 8.9
lethal 8.9 / 8.9
fire 8.9 / 8.9
cold 8.9 / 8.9
energy 8.9 / 8.9
n/energy 8.9 / 8.9
psi 0.0 / 0.0
melee 30.7 w/kuji 101.5 / 39.6 w/elude 111.1
ranged 30.7 w/kuji 101.5 / 39.6 w/elude 111.1
AoE 83.8 w/kuji 154.7 /95.6 w/elude 167.6

after looking at those numbers i would only say this... if you wanna role a SR role a scrapper!

(all numbers are %)

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I would like.. Freak Tanks, Mu, Carnies, PPD Hardsuits and Arachnos Tarantula's! ^^

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lol nerf PC toxic tarantulas!

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I was thinking, even though further EATs have been pretty much confirmed as being accessible from both sides of the pond, that maybe Mu could be released as another VEAT at some point.
Don't get me wrong im not crying "omg my fav faction aren't included make the game my way" but I was thinking leaving Mu out was a bit "so-so" for the whole "Soldiers of Arachnos (except Mu)" thing.

Anyone else notice that or would like to speculate on how a Mu mystic would play?

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its not so much just Mu but this style could be added for lots of factions like longbow (look how many different wardens there are) balista too, freakshow, tsoo the list can go on! (i wouldent even mind playing a caliban), i think they could add an epic(probably better to rename it to summat like special or unlockable) for most factions quite easily (say for the harder badges w/history plaques)

(i do know there are implications of being an AT that is part of a villain group, like calibans wouldent go round fighting others, but could always be renagade)

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lol not tried demo record at all, didnt know you could do that....cause i know gohan661 cant 1shot a boss

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This is what can be done with demorecord and editing

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Sounds alright, but i want mine properly animated. theres too much detail i want to add into it like lip synch, facial expressions, fight scenes that are more realistic than a fire sword circle then a 2 second gap before an incinerate

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yea but nothing can beat spawning your favorite hero and 1000 agony mages and one shotting them all :P

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thats awesome

well if i get a look ina t the computer tonight ill look at the sites (at work atm and most sites are blocked!)

if i dont ill get a basic 'skeleton storyboard' on paper ready to transfer to PC, of the 'coming soon' trailer atleast

EDIT: oh and gohan, you know ull have a part in it at points, also as and when i get to episodes requiring outside characters (already got some planned specifically) ill post on the forums for 'auditions'

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i was thinking about doing one with demorecord and editing it. its quiet easy i just aint got the patience

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As alot of people on Union know by now, ive been talking about making an animated series based about my characters, heroes and villains which has been planned for well over a year now with little headway been made (mainly due to RL issues and addictive gaming).

does any1 know any good programs available for sound editors and creators and any other bits i may need?

also does any1 know of any guides online for animating programs, was considering creating it in Flash, if anyone has any thoughts on it feel free to reply

most appreciative of any help i can get

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Dude there better be atleast a cameo (if not a main part) for gohan661 and Only!! :P
cant wait to see what you pull together
Infurnus4president

(post 400 woot:P)