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In all honesty at its current state, villans are not underpowerd as such, but Heroes has been around for a lot longer, therfore we have had the time to adjust, find out what works, and min/max, villans is still new to PVP and is still a child to a older game of COH

As others have clearly said. there will be a time when villans have sorted things out and it will become equal.

Heroes need to balence a team that works "as a team" to maximise DMG output, without a certain member of the team applying his skillset then im sure the effects wont be as devistating. - this again is somthing that Villans need to work on, and thus far im sure all AT's are not been using effectivly enough.

However.. the downside of the villans pendat is the fact that I an honestly say that it was 5 hero's V 4 Villas, as the MM's were pretty much out of the game with there pet setup, this is NOT a fault with the player but within the game mechanics. and this is due to change in issue7 Im sure.

PVP is everchanging, people always counter somthing that is working real well..then other peoples skills/builds change accordingly. its like fashion, whats in now will be out in a few months.. and what was out before will be dominating again..

As Shamen quite rightly said. there is somthing to be gained from a loss. work on it and re-apply

Dont give up hope yet, there are sure as hell plenty more options to try....

My advice to Any given villan group is to try things with heroes (arena) on maybe a weekly basis. fun/freindly team games that the heros side can offer comments back to what was working well, and why. - this way you can find out what really does/doesnt do well in area and build from it from there.

On a final note. Thanks to Kinslayer/Ronin for the tourney It was good fun, depsite the delays.

And Gratz on to Shamen X'd team winning at the end bah!

I didn'nt really want to post on this thread but its got a bit out of hand so will add my 2 inf's worth.

The Violators VG are the richest, YES, but this does not mean they are "uber" in any way, From what I have seen of them they are dirty players in PVP (we had a raid with them and all they did is name call and hurl abuse), sure this was the sound of a frustrated VG group, but still no excuses..

We enjoyed beating them at a raid both defending and attacking, but we have fought many and many SG's/VG's in raids and not once have had the randomness of playstyle or abuse from how the violators were on that day.

Light Smack talk is fine, but outrage is not. good communication and common respect is a needed thing in games of this scale. and its THIS thats the problem on your back and will lower the entire tone of your VG to nothing.

In my opinion posts like "we are leet and uber so therfore raid us blah blah" show to me that they are not good but bullys to lesser SG/VG to themselves, for me respect comes from people that post about you in good sence rather than you having to do it yourself.

Take a leaf from people like NBR or Defients, who are actually trying to encourge people into PVP the correct way rather than making a statement and not being able to back it up.

I say take the challenge from defients just so you can be knocked down a peg or 2, it may do you good so you can actually start to show people respect.. and respect my freind is what makes people admire, be freindly with, and want to train/raid/arena with you.

Can't think of a ending line that will be bold enough for othes to remember so will end with... "Willy Waving" FTW!

...I'll get me coat.

Thanks Max for the heads up..

Sounds good Art of War will of course be there

this is Heros v Villans and at lvl 40?
or is it whoever v whoever?

I think this is a good idea. as you will be supprised with the number of people that still are clueless as to what to do to get a match sorted, and this will be a good way to introduce more and more to PVP

gets my vote, and will gladly offer my services if needed.

p.s - what is the max number of global channels allowed?

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There's so much here I could reply but I really cant be bothered.

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Well if you have something to say, then say it?

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There is just one thing I'd like to point out though. Not once did anyone 'flame' aow.

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Well I seem to remember your first post was..but you explained that so its fine, and my apoligies if I didnt make it clear that it was not just in this forum either.

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Thats fair enough none of us want to repeat words..again!

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After the last few days my opinion of some people has fallen even lower than it already was but I'll be taking action in my own way. I wont however produce a load of nonsensical spiel on the forums as some of you seem to like doing.

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Right this is a bit lame even in your standards gat, I respect you as a player, but when it comes to diplomatic posts and plain rudeness you win every time. - care to PM me the problems? I for one dont want any hard feelings between any player(s) in CoX. - but dont just post this and expect us to ignore it..

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To be honest X, I dont think its aimed at you directly. more overall to the thread. on a personal level, I have found you to be talkative and freindly towards me, and are ranked highly in my book, however....

I think the objective here is to make a stance, we are a varied PVP SG, we like to cover all flavours, we excel in raids as thats what we were geared towards first (being part of a large SG, makes defending a base priority) - We dont have the correct toons yet to beat most in arena, although we still try...why? - its fun and its all expereince we still get to play at a high level, its just our challenge is somewhat differnt to yours when we are outweighed. Our pure arena toons should be ready in a few weeks. - You know this as we never turn up with a blaster or healer - but alas.. does this still make us bad at pvp? - I would personally consider most of AoW to be great PVP'ers with lots of expereince, just atm, we are in the right place with the wrong builds.- we still enjoy it despite the loss, but dont appreciate all the bad rep for trying..(from some)

AoW Are always trying to do more and more PVP, trying to introduce more to the area/raids/zones. we are trying to setup a larger community so that we can always have handfull of people to practice with at the drop of a hat instead of scheduled days..why dont you help too by joining us on www.artofwar-sg.co.uk

Take care
zak
Art of War

Thanks cherry, but as the topic suggests.. we need Basters, we have empaths, but due to RL our PVP empath is no longer with us for a while, and not to be replaced in the meanwhile, however we have others available in due course.

Hi all

Most of you know us as a PVP SG, well we are, some areas we excell better than others, however, the way to makes things right means more play time and experience.

So if anyone at anytime wants to challenge us either it be a full blow raid or a small arena match, then please do so at www.artofwar-sg.co.uk so we can arrange things and hopefully have a small community of good PVP'ers there that we can play alongside/with and generally have some fun.

Dont be shy

All the best.
Art of War

Dear Heroes

Art of War are in lack of blasters in our ranks and therfore would like to ask any free blasters to trial with us mainly for PVP/base raid Action and of course PVE.

We are looking for teamfull, good spirit and adult humour, so no l33t speakers need apply.

We are hoping to recruit a *eng or *elec blaster, although others are also welcome.

Please if you are reading this and are interested please drop me a pm here or ingame at @zak


Many Thanks

zak
Art of War
http://www.artofwar-sg.co.uk

Yeah I will be there..

1st hammy was enough to drive me insaine....

Stalkers in sirens are very good at "what" they do.. - they are stalkers none the less, they hunt there prey and go for the all out kill..however..

I think what people dont like is the "nofight" thing with stalkers.. they run in use AS, then just either TP out or fly away.. people then give chase for a few moments before your stealth kicks in again. - now I was in sirens last night. and in fact I never seen so many stalkers in one place.. however the ones that were there was actually fighting nicely, some run some stay.. cant have the cherry and the cake.

Bottom line is some people are impatient. and just want to fight. and people see stalkers as anoying with there hit and run tactics. - oh and 6 stalkers all grouped thats also anoying but damm effective.

Personally I dont mind stalkers,they add varitey and a I like a bit of chase, makes it more rewarding if you hunt the "stalker" instead of the other way around.

Just to some.. there irritating. thats the way stalkers are designed, so the more people that understand there limits the better it will be for all.

MM's are good for defending. but not for attacking... although they need to fix the bug with pets spawining before the raid starts (after I7) else the pets will be higher lvl than the raid.. and when the raid actually kicks off the time it takes to spawn the pets > upgrade them will just not be enough time. - at the moment its ok as they are all lvl 40.

kinslayer. I'd like to make a Brute to join in. at the end of the day you are trying to make a better event for all. so I will support you in your venture.. and Im sure a lot of AoW can bring a alt to the SG if you so wish..

If new SG's are now raid capable and wish to enter the realm of raids please use the Raid Submit thread that is a sticky in this forum, - it will be good to get a larger list so we can collaberate all SG's for future raiding events and comps..

Cheers and sorry to hi-jack the thread

Sasuages!

It depends what secondary you choose, - grav has imo some of the best holds in game, with fast recharge aswell (exepct for GDF) - Through my lvl 20-50 I had no problem locking down entire mobs ready for deathrow from the rest of my team, most of my teaming was with another scrapper and an empath so I guess depends how you play it too..

personally I love my grav storm.. Others hate it!.

There is no right or wrong build for anyone. it depends if you enjoy playing it or not.

I think Kin is ace! but the set is not for me.I simply dont enjoy it. - every set is good and bad in there own ways.

For PVP its becomes a diff story and a lot more specialised. and tbh. the majority of it links down to what epic you have or not..

Thanks for your kinds words kinslayer

However As I said in my previous post, I would not suggest that we are the greatest, we can beat lots of others, but loose at a top level, such as French/defient and union allstars.

We have got good teamwork and are pretty much capabale of holding our own most of the time, but not every set is compatible or will see us through to glory.. and as hobo implies in his last post that souinding like its for glory...- we on the otherhad are after teamwork, spirit and good battles. winning is nice dont get me wrong. but we dont want to change our lives to win games.

There are some very talented people out there, unfortunetly there not all in the same SG. or maybe at least they should merge maybe and form an all singing all dancing SG of there own to claim there own bragging rights eh hobo?

Reason im posting this again,(pls see my prev post if not already) is so AoW dont get a pretty picture painted of us and we are then unable to deliver.

We are a solid good SG with a few of us that do PVP regualry, but other SG's or people possibly deserve better credit.

As I said we are doing very well in the 8 or 9 battles in raids we have had and we are more geared for this at this time. - when we have leveled our other toons maybe the arena will shine better for us. we shall see.

But for now. myself and the SG want to contiune our fun, and not dampend by pressure or unhealthy respect.

Thanks again to all that posted nice words. AoW appreciate the support given.

cheers
zak

Right to set the record straight here.

Art of War has developed over time into a PVP supergroup, are we active? YES, are we ambitious with our journeys? YES, but more important we all ENJOY the aspect of PVP. - we do not however have the perfect class, or builds, or skill to tear down some opponents. as an SG our motive was to succeed into base raiding as this was common fun to all members, and its safe to say that we have exceled in this area well enough to establish an unbeaten record thus far. - base raids are one thing. and Arena is a different concept of PVP, one to add that we are still entertaining the idea and soon we will be correct in playing even levels with a lot of the inter-server challenges that happen on a weekly basis with our new toons that are in progress.

But, Does our enjoyment of PVP lessen the fact that we are not a solid group against differnt opponents than yoruself? that clearly has all the correct tricks and builds to counter most in PVP - we on the other hand do not have yet. but we still attend for the enjoyment/expereince sake.

Out of our SG core, we have a few of us that are PVP orientated the rest just enjoy it.. and as you well know, 3 peopel or so cannot win agaisnt a 8 man dedicated team.. - we are certianly not the type of people that suggest "No you cant play your builds sucks and you have lack of expereince" - we offer PVP to all, as its a game that needs to be shared plain and simple.

Credit does go to three lions/defient & indeed french for there excelent choice of builds and skill at pvp to one that Art of War are no match for just yet.

Although I would still like to think that we are not as degraded as you made us out to be.

Thankyou for listining..

was indeed good fun, dominated by the french once more!!

AoW didnt do too great last night, we had a odd team (some new faces) and not many on TS so that really didn't help matters.. - but we will be back next week for some more..

A good build can aid an already good player, but PVP is not just about hitting buttons and knowing that your build will be able to deal with it.

being good at PVP means - good movment, judgement, knowing what effects what and how to couter said attacks, knowing what targets are most important/crucial, knowing how to apply pressure or be defensive, and most important...teamwork.

I Feel that builds have a high percentage yes, but its how you use it that matters.

you need to invite a few COT's and let them spam quicksand for that real slow mo Baywatch moment.....

The Art of War will be happy to accept your challenge. we are available to do most evenings. so give me a shout @zak

P.S there is a thread here that you can submit your details and browse other SG/VGS that are wanting raids.

clicky

just one thing...

(/macro Go2 "petcom goto pas")

How would I bind this to a key? Im new to MM's and atm, having to run in let the pets follow, rather anyoing as my Ninjas dont do great dmg at ranged, so need them always to be melle.. and if I stand back and choose attack, they all stand there like fools doing no dmg at all, then finally 1 runs in by himself, dies.. then another etc.. - If I drag them in, then its fine they survive and kill 10 times faster. (Oni is ok in ranged)

Anyone have any tips of how to make them melle, other than the goto command?, i.e is there a "melle"only command?

Cheers

and all AT team of matching skills is a nice idea, but what people are saying here is that with any build it has its flaws that other AT's can take advantage of. - there is no Key set that can take on everything all at once, else we would all have one? and what would be the point in that.

While a good 8 man bubbler team would be good, but you are still weak in other areas. all it takes is another expereinced PVP team to realise this. - Oh and anther thing, I guess in PVP with 8 bubblers, you would use repel.. well afaik the range of Your phase power is less than the repel effect.. so in order to phase them you need to loose a lot of your defences. (Not 100% sure on this but I remember testing this before with somone)

By reading your posts, I dont mean to sound harsh, but sounds like you need to read the manual again to find out what builds are compatible with what, and what certain builds fear the most before trying to lay the law down on your own creation.

....and not forgetting that you dont earn inf after lvl 32 (in fact it slows down at around lvl 28) - so if a 75 man SG were all active from the word go.. they would not be able to fully support there toons after lvl 32 for SO's sake, thus leading to break the Prestige earnings down by 100% while they gather the inf that they so require.

Although I DO remember reading a post a long while ago on this very subject and bridger did mention that the prestige was under investigation..

I'll be there, best to make it a weekly event too? every wednesday at 8:30ish?