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Except that IOs aren't required to play the game. The baseline has been stated multiple times as being SOs. IOing takes quitea considerable investment in time and inf to get results. Doubly so with Incarnates by the sound of things.

So the base-game as it is isn't changing. The baseline is SOs. The baseline has people taking fitness anyway. Now they just have much more diverse build options (something the Devs have commented on wanting when they tweaked the PPPs, because people 'not taking certain powers "just because" was a bad thing.').
IOs and Incarnates are not, nor should be, the base level of the game.

Only if played by Stephanie Meyer...

And they will continue to be laughed at by the majority of RPers on Union with the exception of those that are RPed incredibly carefully and well. I was lucky enough to take part in a plot run by a player I consider to be one of the best RPers to grace Union. One of his characters 'Avatar' form could, arguably, pimp slap Statesman around quite consierably. However the control and ability with plot writing that the guy displayed made it not only believable but also work within the Paragonverse. It helped that it was a SG centric plot, but even then it was only the fact it was incredibly well played that meant not a single person had a complaint.
With Incarnates? Who knows. We'll see when we get there.

We've been through this. Union has had wide scale events before. The issues that were raised have not only been done to death, they've also been resolved. /End

Agreed. Theres no point having World-saving level Heroes in a plot designed for those that break up drug rings and the like.

See B

Broadsword has a Cone, a PbAoE and an 'attack through' tier 9 that can hit 2-3 targets if placed well.

Katana, see above.

Spines has a crapton of AoE, and ranged AoE. Quills, the spine explosion, Impaler. And Ripper, which is a cone.

Claws has a PbAoE, Eviscerate which is a high power cone, Focus which is high power and ranged, and Shockwave, which is a ranged cone.

Dark has a cone, a PBAoE mass stacking +hit and +damage attack, a self heal...etc.

Elec has a cone, Thunderstrike AoE and Lightning Rod, which is its own mini-nuke.

Kin has a ranged cone, PbAoE and a high damaged range attack.

Fire has a ranged cone and a high power PbAoE

DB has a PbAoE and both it's tier 8 and tier 9 are cones.

SS has Footstomp and Hurl, both of which are known for their lethality.

Axe and Mace both have a PbAoE, 'pass through' attack and a tier 9 cone.

Ice Melee has a cone and what is actually a footstomp clone but it has sleep instead of KB, and a KB patch and a melee hold, because Ice likes to be special like that.

Stone has Hurl boulder and Tremor.


So, in fact, the only other set that is on 'par' with Energy Melee is Martial arts...and what a surprise, that's the other set that gets complained about a lot.

So...what was that counter arguement again?

Well, I look. Every time. And they are still a PITA.
So we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

Except that Rikti are Science origin the drug that changes the lost is a Rikti mutagen made by Rikti Scientists.
But having Traditionalists and Restructurists would be awesome.

Oh, and Bill;
You mean the 'extra' mob that actually replaces one of the normal mobs in the spawn?
And I really hate it when people just scoff like Quants and Voids are nothing. At lower levels and if you don't have a -KB Io, Quants and Voids can be bloody lethal, since they have an insanely high KB chance, and they are ready to fire again by the time you get back on your feat. LT Voids and above are just plain nasty. Sure, they may no longer one shot you, but it's a damn close call. Oh, and thats before the chance to Stun too.

And Cysts. Don't talk to me about Cysts.

I call BS on this. Sorry, but there is no way that this is NOT god-moding the entire Unionverse.

2,996. Thats the number of casualties from the 9/11 attack. In the real world, that sparked off a series of conflicts that are still going on as we type. The St Johns attack was originally 2000 children, arguably just as bad as nearly 3k of mostly adults.

A private space station is easy to avoid or not know about. High tech cloaking devices. Government silencing orders and FBSA secrecy measures. Or simply the fact that, given we have alien invaders and super science tech on Paragon earth, a mere space station isn't all that out of the ordinary.

2k of dead school children is a big deal. It would result in a massive fallout. Yes, everyone would be involved, wether they liked it or not, because there would be no room NOT to join into something so massive. It's strongarming and god-moding everyone. There are no two ways about it.
And as the person who ran Operation Escalation, yes, yes I can say that my plots can do that too.

We're not arguing that.

For example, part of my character Krimzon Commander's story is his hatred of Captain Mako, a hatred that is reciprocated in no small part due to Krimzon wearing one of Makos own teeth around his neck, having smacked him repeatedly in the face.

This is entirely possible in game. I ran Makos patron arc and, lo and behold, ground the slimy little fish into pulp on the floor.

What we have here is along the lines of me saying Krimzon tore Makos arm off. Which is clearly utter BS. Its not doable in game. Its also god-moding the entire Unionverse into saying everyone else has to acknowledge that Mako only has one arm, and that Krimzon was thge one to do it.

Is that clear enough?

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Enough said.
Heck, every new zone and bit of content they have given us 'just because'. And niether of the examples you give makes any sense. Whats the blimmin' point of making a QoL change only to add something in to counteract it?

I approve of that description

There is not enough

MAKE IT SO!

in the universe for my reply to this. Please, let it happen.

Villains are perfectly allowed. I proved that with Operation Escalation.
What isn't accepted is stuff that basically strongarms people into situations they don't want to be in. This is still a game, and still a story. It's as much a story that belongs to other players as to ourselves.

The way the event was originally, there was only one logical outcome; The utter anihilation of the Court and all it's members. That also strongarms the game world into a responce we simply can't create in game.
Was everyone in the Court asked if they'd be happy to have their toons their hunted down by civil powers with a lot of backing?

It was still pretty big evil, it was a freaking corrupted Kronos Titan. But it got toned down for a number of reasons, all of them sensible.

It's not that you don't like it. It's just the counter arguements are so incredibly weak.

Hell, I don't PvP except for once in a blue moon, and I still think I13 was terrible. I'm also an RPer, and I also like to devise quite obscene builds (Perma-Hasten Nightwidow. People in my SG demanded I post the build on our forums as proof )

So, it's not people going "GTFO, we don't like doom, praise the devs yaaaay!!"
It's people being thankful they no longer have to play the power equivelant of sidekick tetris just to be able to run missions on most characters.

Not everyone does, however.

Yet nearly every single character on every server will have Stamina and it's pre-reqs.

And its from a pool thats meant to be optional. Hmm.

"All animals are equal. But some are more equal than others." ~ George Orwell.

Without the quote; define 'right'. Because I can guarentee someone else will disagree with that one person will call 'right'.

So...it made min/maxing more of a 'challenge' for a very small percentage of the game population, while making it a pain in the rear for everyone else, consumed three power slots and an entire 1 of the 4 power pools your allowed per char.

I...it....
*shrug*

What hurdle? You mean the one entitled 'You HAVE to take these powers, consuming three power slots at fairly inconvenient levels, JUST to function on a normal level without insane reliance on a pet-stock of blues, massive End-red slotting and insane IO usage right up until 50'?

Sorry, but I call Bull-**** on that one. Even with Stamina three slotted with SOs, there are plenty of times I and people I've been teamed with have run low or out of endurance, for any number of reasons. I don't even want to think what they'd have been like without stamina.

I say this is a step in the right direction. I'm not going to get in a fight with people saying 'The game is too easy', because Im not in any position to judge that. You have your playstyle and builds, I have mine. As it should be. For me, however, this is a very good thing, and means I can now be more flexible with builds and arguably fit in powers I would, in the past, never have even considered due to lack of power slots.

This. Sorry, but not everone can get purpled out builds to find +4/x8 easy. Even my level 50 MM, who's my highest slotted toon, still finds that just x8 can be a tad tough at times.