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I really like this solution to the current Vet Reward system which has become untenable in that a brand new player would despair of every getting to a really good reward locked away behind a 7 year subscription to the game. Will CoH even be here 7 years from now? Supplanted by CoH2?
The new system speeds up the rewards to a three year plateau and gives long time Vets still more rewards without making the gap between them and the newbies insuperable.
Problem with Lack of FREEDOM
I know Posi said people won't like the aspect of having to fill a Tier before progressing to a new one with the implication being "we're doing it this way even if you complain." And Zwillinger has said, "it's not a tree!"
Well, I'm going to complain about this tree. It is a tree. Period. No amount of redefinition will change that. And because it is a tree, it locks rewards behind other rewards. Just because someone climbing up the tree gets to chose the order of seven Rewards in a Tier, doesn't really make it any less a tree or lack of *overall* choice.
And so, there really isn't the FREEDOM here which this reinvention of CoH is supposed to be all about. It's still the same Vet Reward program with internally scrambled segments.
One of the eternal complaints of the Old Vet System is something you've heard from players over and over: Some of the rewards are less than stellar. I'm looking at you, Boxing Set and Greek Letters. Compare that to Assemble the Team or Portable Auctionhouse. Or compare that to Angelic/Demonic Wings and Kilts, which you see people actually use in the game. I can't remember the last time I saw a Greek letter being used.
And the Paragon Reward system is still making new players take those unwanted rewards before the ones they want. Why? Why make players take rewards they don't want? (Yes, *some* do, but they should have the choice.)
Suggested Solutions to Lack of FREEDOM
Allow advancement to the next tier without fully picking all of the previous tier. Progression may go like this:
- Allow Tier 2 with one previous reward
- Allow Tier 3 with two previous rewards
- Allow Tier 4 with 4 previous rewards (instead of 5)
- Allow Tier 5 with 6 previous rewards (instead of 8)
- Allow Tier 6 with 10 previous rewards (instead of 13)
- Allow Tier 7 with 16 previous rewards (instead of 20)
- Allow Tier 8 with 22 previous rewards (instead of 27)
- Allow Tier 9 with 28 previous rewards (instead of 34)
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Tier 9 VIP Rewards Costs 1 Reward Token Each
Yes, the official info says they're 'for free.' But read the official info more closely. The context is clear that 'for free' means "no real life money because you got a Reward Token 'for free' by subbing."
You still have to expend a 'free' Token to buy the VIP Tier 9 reward 'for free.' That's my take until a redname clarifies that. If anyone has a citation, I'll be happy to be corrected.
First Tier Rookie Rewards Costs 1 Reward Token
That's how I read it. I know some have been saying that it's 'for free'. I believe you still have to spend a Token on it. I'll be happy to be corrected with a redname citation. -
Quote:Yes. So does subbing for one month. And for subbing for one whole year.Originally Posted by McCharraigin
Lisa looks at chart. So On July 24th I will have three slots to fill before I can enter tier 8?
1,200 Paragon Points bought in the store gets you 1 reward token
This reward token unlocks 1 Paragon Reward
Does 1 Paragon Reward buy 1 slot? -
Quote:N/3 + N/12, where N is 54 and remainders discardedOriginally Posted by McCharraigin
Big Wide Grin....Small world....I hit 54 months on the 24th Of July too
I am also a tad confused ..think I am in the very start of tier 7....but not sure.
Tier 8 is where I want to be, and I wonder how much of a bite it will take out of my pocketbook to get me there "Naow"
Lisa.
18 + 4 = 22 Tokens
That's 2 out of 7 rewards in Tier 7.
You'll need 12 more tokens to fill Tier 8. That's 11 months of subbing (because of the extra yearly Token).
For $15, you can get 1,200 Paragon Points and one Reward Token. So if FREEDOM went live now, you could pay $180 to get it all NAO! and wind up with 14,400 Paragon Points in the deal, too. -
Quote:The formula is: N/3 + N/12, where N=months subscribed.Originally Posted by El__D
(n/4)+((n/3)/4) = Reward Tokens
(24/4)+((24/3)/4) = 6 + 2 = 8, plus 2 extra from total subscription time makes 10 tokens to spend on new stuff, after keeping all the stuff you already got from the past two years.
The first is how many badges you have (throw out remainder). You have 4 as the denominator -- it's supposed to be 3.
The second term is how many years subscribed (throw out remainder). I simplified the second term since ((N/3)/4)) = N/12.
Since the formula includes the yearly Tokens, you don't add them again.
So, 24 months would be: 24/3 + 24/12 = 8 + 2 = 10. -
Quote:Posi's formula is correct and it takes into account yearly Tokens. People are incorrectly adding in the yearly Tokens *again*. And they're getting the first denominator wrong.Originally Posted by Aggelakis
Is Positron's formula wrong then? Because Positron's formula gives 19 tokens.
(57/4)+((57/3)/4) = 19 tokens.
14.25 + (19/4)
14.25 + 4.75 = 19.
EDIT::: Ahhhhh haaaaaaa Positron's formula doesn't include the yearly tokens.
The formula is: N/3+((N/3)/4)
N/3 = Posi's formula first derives the number of Vet Badges you have by dividing the number of months subscribed by 3 (then throw out the remainder). You get one Token for each Vet Badge.
((N/3)/4)) = Then it takes the number of badges you have and divides by 4 to get the number of years you've been subscribed (throw out the remainder again). This is basically (Number of Months subscribed)/12. -
Quote:fixtOriginally Posted by El__D
Well, using the formula...
(57/3) + ((57/3)/4) = 19 + 4.75 = 23 Tokens
So, at 57 months you'll have two selections left to purchase in Tier 6. That's 3 out of 7 Rewards in Tier 7. In 10 months you will max out Tier 8 and start in on the Tier 9 consumables or VIPs.
Without the new system, you still have 30 months to get all the Rewards that are currently in the pipeline.
The new system gives it to you 20 months earlier.
EDIT: refixt with the correct formula! -
Quote:43 months, if FREEDOM went Live today = 17 Tokens. That's 4 out of 7 Rewards in Tier 6. In 15 months you will max out Tier 8 and start in on the Tier 9 consumables or VIPs.Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Nah, I don't think so.
I'm at 43 months right now.
I suppose I'll get over it, but it somehow really annoyed me to learn that there'd be new costume pieces locked away form me, hehe.
(I'm not over it yet!!
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Without the new system, you still have 44 months to get all the Rewards that are currently in the pipeline.
The new system gives it to you 29 months earlier. -
Quote:2 years of subbing means you are currently over 5 years away from accruing all the Vet Rewards that currently exist. And if that system continued, you will always be 5 years behind.Originally Posted by Moly
I feel exactly the same about this. I'm waiting for more info, but as of right now I'm disappointed that my favorite aspect of the game--the costume creator--is receiving more time-gated content. My hope is that the costume sets available through the rewards program for free will also be available for direct purchase from the market.
Like you, I am also a bit disappointed that my nearly 2 years of continuous subscription is going to put me many months or several hundred dollars from being able to access the content I really want.
We'll just have to see how it works out.
In the new system, you will start with 10 Tokens. That puts in into Tier 5. In less than 2 years, you will max out Tier 8 and any future Tokens will be spent on Tier 9 consummables or Tier 9 VIPs.
If you chose, for every $15 you spend for the Paragon *Points* (1,200 worth) to buy all those other goodies locked up there, you get a Token, reducing the time of maxing out the Reward tree a month earlier.
Or you can wait the two years and with the free 400 month of Points you get, buy the extra goodies. -
Quote:How much do vendor machine sticks cost nowadays?Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
Most of mine is stick in the vending machine. SHAKE IT.
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Quote:In the 3 years it takes them to spend all their Tokens to fill up all the tiers, you'll have 39 free Tokens to spend on things they can't: consumables and the rotating Tier 9 VIP stuff. You will always be 39 Tokens ahead of them.Originally Posted by Everything_Xen
This is a bit bigger than an expansion being added for free.
I've been subbed for 6 years... Paragon has gotten over $1000 dollars from me during that time.
Someone else can come in, spend half that, (a 3 year sub being about $540...) and get all the rewards I have access to and MORE (the tier 8, 9, and VIP). But why doesn't my extra $500 entitle me to THE SAME?
If a newbie can sub and get to tier 9 in 3 years, then I and everyone else over that mark should be there already. Especially given the whole "we care about our loyal customers" schtick. -
Quote:And one did not pay extra for them. Unlike the goodies with the Collector's Editions of CoH and CoV, this Gamestop purchase was the complete edition of the game, the same non-stackable complete edition bought elsewhere. The goodies were 'free' from Gamestop to entice you to purchase GR through them. It was a Gamestop promotion which the Devs enabled; not a Dev promotion only available at Gamestop.Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
the GR enhances are the preorder ones that you got if you preordered GR from gamestop when they had that deal
honestly they are quite worthless post lvl 20, pre lvl 20 they do help a little though
IOW, this is the same case as the Arachnos Helmets or the Prestige Sprints, not the same case as Power Slide. -
Quote:Because the current Vet Reward system is broken. It's rewarding much wanted rewards (e.g., the portable auction house access) at seven years vet status. No newbie seeing that will regard that as an incentive... who knows if the game will be here 7 years from now or supplanted by a CoH2?Originally Posted by GuiltTrip
Oh this is a tad confusing. I'm a 85 month Vet now (so probably 87 or 90 month when this goes live) so I doubt I have any room to complain. But this seems to just be a faster way to allow players access to the veteran rewards (or to just buy them outright). I don't really see how I'm getting more freedom in my choices or any thing super exciting added.
There has to be a way for newbies to 'catch up' while at the same time giving long time Vets continued rewards. And the answer is to speed up the progression of newbies and by giving consumable rewards to Vets. It's actually an excellent solution.
I still don't like being forced to take booby prize Rewards first to get better ones (Greek letters, Boxing costume set), but it's better than the old system that was unsustainable and no longer functioning as it was supposed to: A great big fat carrot to keep people subscribed. -
Quote:fixtOriginally Posted by Steelclaw
For ease of use I'll list the slots per Tier here:
1st = 1 (1 cumulative)
2nd = 1 (2)
3rd = 3 (5)
4th = 3 (8)
5th = 5 (13)
6th = 7 (20)
7th = 7 (27)
8th = 7 (34)
9th = 5 infinite repeatables = infinity
9th VIP = 3 (37) -
Quote:A 84 month vet gets 35 Tokens... you're forgetting the extra one per year.Originally Posted by Von Krieger
I'm talking about AFTER this comes out. If someone new to the game signs up the moment CoH: Freedom is released.
To get to the 'current' level of veteran rewards (84 months) a player will have to get (84/3)=28 tokens. Said tokens are given out on a monthly basis after Freedom comes out, plus one per year of subscription.
So 28/13=2, remainder 2.
Forget about getting to a Badge level. A newbie gets a Token per month plus one per year.
To fill out Tier 8, you need 34 Tokens.
That's 2 years and 8 months.
And since there are currently 3 non-consumable rewards in Tier 9 VIP, then it's just about full 3 years for a newbie to max out the permanent rewards. -
Quote:First, ignore Von Krieger's and Steelclaw's faulty math. (Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Hmm... I'm usually quick to get this sort of thing...
I'm not following how my 42 months gets me past Tier 6.
N/3+((N/3)/4)= Paragon Reward Tokens at launch (N is your number of months on your highest vet badge)
So, 42 months would equal 17.5 points, no? And that would be in the 7th Tier.
What am I missing and/or doing wrong?
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Yes, will have 17.5 points.
Look at the picture with the boxes. You buy one box per point. You don't advance to the next tier until you buy all the boxes in that tier. It take 13 points to buy all the boxes in Tier 5 and lower.
Then you can buy 4 of the 6 Rewards in in Tier 6.
Then, if you're subscribed, you get one more point per month to continue climbing the reward tree. You'll fill out Tier 8 with 14 more Tokens (which is only 13 months because of the yearly Token). After that, you'll be able to spend future Tokens on Tier 9 consumable or Tier 9 VIP items. -
Quote:Bonus XP and loot drops. Similar, I imagine, to current Day Job rewards.Originally Posted by Haggard4Life
Did they say that the "Windfall" reward is? I saw it on a couple of slides, but not in any of the notes.
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Quote:A newbie who starts to subscribe as a VIP the day FREEDOM launches will max out the Paragon Reward tiers in 3 years.Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
I'd love to be incorrect, and for you to be right, but none of the calculations are showing that 2 years would get you to Tier 9. Unless the new tokens are in addition to what we already have earned.
What do old time Vets get? The ability to spend future, monthly Reward Tokens on consumables since they're already maxed out. -
Quote:Yes if you want it RITE NAO or you go Premium (free to play).Originally Posted by Shadow Wail
So we now get to summon signature heroes/villains to do our bidding because I paid an extra $105.00 USD to get to T9?
OR... if you continue to subscribe, you get 1 Paragon Reward Token per month effectively accelerating up what used to be the Vet Reward Tree at three times the pace. This means in will fill out the reward tree (and it *is* a tree) in just 7 months.
Since Tier 9 are just consumables (and a good thing for that, I don't have room in my trays for several more years of permanent temp powers), this means you'll catch up to current 7+ year Vets in rewards. -
Quote:fixtOriginally Posted by Von Krieger
24/3 = 8
(24/3)/4= 2
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Guides are compiled by players. If something needs to be updated, someone needs to do it and the PM a mod to change the top post of the thread.
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Statesman is *not* carrying the quiver. Manti was cropped out.
You can see where his cowl was cut out of Citadel's back.
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Start here with the overviews of the Issues you missed: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Issues
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The first post of this thread has all the arc info.
So, if you don't want choices to lead to cut-off options and you want to do every arc, see there.
However, you can't get every dialogue and every resolution on one character. It's called replay-value. It's how they hook you! -
Actually, it would be rather easy to have rotating splash screens so it's not the same ones all the time. I know that Standard Code Rant applies here, but I'm pretty darned sure that the code it takes to randomly pick a .jpg in a directory *is indeed* easy to do (considering Leandro already did it).