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Kinda sounds like a game called life.

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Worst game concept ever but the refresh rate is good and its remarkably lag free.

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I feel very badly for you, being forced to play a game run by incompetent, untrustworthy fools.

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The common term is businessmen.

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All of this reminds me of ED when it came along... months of complaining and then BAM! IOs came and everyone was like... "oh! now I see why they did that!"

Am I the only one who thinks that the Devs see the game on a level we players don't... and that maybe changes made today are to better implement future changes to come? I mean there are a couple of seemingly intersting things to come right?


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Let me ask a few simple questions.

1. Do the devs recall ed ?
2. If you were in their position would you handle things in the same way again and again or would you vary your strategy ?
3. If you knew you were going to tick off your customerbase and you had something great coming out might you try to entice them into not leaving by telling them about the great thing.

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And you never answered my questions.
Do you really expect that there would not be any punitive measures taken? No denouncement of bad and exploitative practices and behavior issued?

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Were the winterlord power levelers punished ?
The Wolf Farmers ?
The people that 6 slotted hasten ?

Just to make it clear punishing other people for your shortcomings is problematic.

As to showing commitment all he has done is shown a commitment to being able to act arbitrarily.

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Just because they decided not to hold up the release of I14 until after Easter does not imply they ignored the problems. They did get the fixes in pretty quick after I14 release, which indicates to me that they were probably working on them for some time. The sad thing is how little control a tiny minority of the players had when confronted with those well reported weaknesses of the system

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IIRC you were posting the issue about custom enemies with no ranged attack on the blaster boards. And If I recall, your words were to the effect

"We were told this would not happen"

So when you argue that players had so little control and it was a shame, which side of your mouth was that from ? The self righteous one or the one that egged people on to abuse it ?

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What I object to is this portrayal of Positron's post as a "hissy fit" because it is most certainly was not.


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It was both that and disingenuous.

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Positron HAS a very real business investment and interest in the game to maintain the game's balance and integrity.

Part of that investment IS to maintain the game's structured risk vs reward balance and detour exploitation

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Yes so banning people who have leveled up to fast does what for the business investement and the desire to keep people playing ?


As to the rest I seriously doubt there is any action that he could take where you wouldnt say "Well its in the Eula"

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But whether or not you beleive anything the Devs say, logic persists that the only reason to refuse a customer's money is because you beleive accepting it would be ultimately bad for business.

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Simple incompetence comes to mind. This is exactly what happened with ED. Even if you do argue that it was for the longterm good of the game, it was implemented horribly poorly.

B_L_Angel is not alone in doubting the truthfulness of the developers statements. If you just look over recent events

<ul type="square">[*]The Developers are notified of MA overreward problems in closed beta
[*]Developers ignore warnings [*]Developers receive further warning in open beta [*]Developers ignore open beta warnings [*]People post the problems on the boards [*]Further Ignore [*]MA goes live [*]People start using the problems [*]Developers are shocked and upset over this [*]Fit hits the shan over developer reaction [*]We have the accidental pre announcement of going rogue.[/list]

A cynical person might think that they deliberately let the MA over reward during the aniversary/ reactivation period to sucker people into renewing their accounts for a game circumstance they had no intention in allowing them to play.

2 blasters (preferably arch and ar) and 2 /FF controllers.

4 bots/ (dark MM or FF mms)

-to hit and + defense = things that are great and even better together.

/Rad is very good but before enhances you need 6 or so to make that work.

Its been bad for about a week or so. Ever since they did that emergency fix. The worst ones seem to be the ones right near an AE building (Looks at atlas park).

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Outside of the groupthink that occurs in the offices of paragon studious and the forumites on these boards, highhanded tactics and threatening epistles like posis don't go over to well.

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The only mistake Posi made was using his "dad voice", although I certainly understand why he did. His content was spot on and never threatened the player base, but did threaten (and meant to) certain individuals exhibiting certain behavior. Most rational people would read it as "well, he sounds pretty pissed, but...so?". Not as "OMG, he's going to go on a mass toon/account deleting party!! DOOOOOOOM!"

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My father passed away 30 years ago, I am not looking for another one. If I were I wouldn't want one that throws a hissy fit because people don't get his vision. If that's your bag and it certainly seems to be the groove of many forum posters fine and good, just don't be surprised when most people don't share it.

Slashdot front page article on MA

Seems the outside world is less than enthused as well. While appeal to majority is very weak its considerably better than because I say so that you and so many antifarmers use

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It happened. but only because morons who dont understand the market think its actually expensive to play it.


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Be thankful for them. Somebody has to get the bad end of the deal

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I actually saw a lot of people in the Galaxy City building last night on Infinity, which is unusual even for the pre-Posi-post world. So I don't know if I'd let a sample size of one dictate your opinion.

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That seems to be exactly what you just did or attempted to do.

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COX style farming is here to stay and helps keep a lot of people renewing their subs each month.

Exploit/outlier farming is not good for the game, has been removed and is no longer an issue as of the patch that removed the exploits/outliers.

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Has it, really? Stand in the AE building in Cap Au Diable on Virtue. The LFF and Farm LFM broadcast and local is still there, just not as bad as it was.

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Shhhh Its vital that the fun police believe their own propaganda. If they ever realize well the disturbance in the force would be as if a billion nerds suddenly realized they were pointless.

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LOL not if you don't have a decent build. Farming is just one part of an overall strategy to get that build.

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You can get a good build without farming. I have never farmed and I've done most of what you've stated as being "extreme content". I always run on challenge level 4/5 with all my characters (and I have alot). I solo AVs on my 50s all the time.

Farming is an UNNECESSARY part of an overall strategy to get a decent build. You can get a decent build WITHOUT farming quite easily.

The statement that nothing in this game requires farming to accomplish is still absolutely true.

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Yes because you say so. We haven't had a thousand threads saying things are too pricey at the market. That the good stuff isn't available, that casual players can't get a good build, etc etc etc. Nope none of that ever happened.

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As an example of 1, I don't farm and yet I have every purple that I have ever wanted. I have multiple heroes with purple sets and my main hero has 3 full sets.

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:: Looks over at Hugginators 04 registration date ::

And no doubt in the 5 years you have been playing you haven't repeated any content, or been on a farm.

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If you doubt me try explaining the situation to someone you know. Don't leave out the part where people are just supposed to know what the devs think is right and wrong.

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Don't forget to include the fact that there are characters that still have an incompleted "meow farm" active that haven't been punished.

Do you actually know anyone that was banned or had a character removed? Or are you just... paranoid?

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I would have to change disguises and make certain no one was watching me before I could answer that question.

well for 1 thing hasten is overslotted take 3 of those out. You don't have it till level 38 so it isnt going to be that important when exemping. (I can see six slotting it if you have it below level 20)

Stamina ?? Why ??? 3 slots will do for you and you are way into the overkill zone on endrec.

Weave and frozen armor could both use the drop and seeing as you are in money is no object think about slotting taking to lotgs out of frozen and poping in a steadfast res/def and knocback

Tough drop the psionic resistance proc.

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LOL not if you don't have a decent build. Farming is just one part of an overall strategy to get that build.

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You can get a good build without farming. I have never farmed and I've done most of what you've stated as being "extreme content". I always run on challenge level 4/5 with all my characters (and I have alot). I solo AVs on my 50s all the time.

Farming is an UNNECESSARY part of an overall strategy to get a decent build. You can get a decent build WITHOUT farming quite easily.

The statement that nothing in this game requires farming to accomplish is still absolutely true.

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Yes because you say so. We haven't had a thousand threads saying things are too pricey at the market. That the good stuff isn't available, that casual players can't get a good build, etc etc etc. Nope none of that ever happened.

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I have often seen this said. But I have never seen anything to prove that it is so. It most often seems to be an article of faith "That there is nothing in the game that requires planning/optimization/special build to achieve"

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They didn't say that there is nothing in the game that requires planning. They said there is nothing in the game that requires FARMING to achieve. This statement still holds up to your objections.

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1. To be good at PVP requires a build and powerset choices made especially for it.

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But does not require farming to achieve.

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2. Speed TFs in general require a measure planning and team construction.

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But do not require farming to achieve.

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3. The Masters of (States, Recluce) not only require good team planning, they also require good builds in key positions or they don't happen.

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But do not require farming to achieve.

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4. The player challenges, soloing gms, soloing tfs, soloing pylons, soloing the mothership, soloing avs with nothing but small inspirations require good builds and usually accolade powers.

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Which do not require farming to achieve.

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So no if you want to run on heroic and avoid the extreme content the game has to offer you don't need X. In my case that would likely burn me out due to extreme boredom.

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You can run on challenge level 4/5 and enjoy the "extreme content" without farming.

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LOL not if you don't have a decent build. Farming is just one part of an overall strategy to get that build. Efficient use of the market to rob roleplayers is the other part.

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Positron didn't cause any fear. The general paranoia was caused by too many people believing forum posters or in-game broadcasts instead of reading his post themselves.

The changes to MA, even the ticket cap, effect very, very few players in this game. This is not the big deal some bitter posters make it out to be.

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Precisely. What's more, it's those few bitter posters that raise a big stink and cause the illusion that it's a major issue when there's really not much to it.

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LOL people wanting to know what the rules are hardly qualifies as bitter. Observing what is incredibly obvious to most people but seems to escape forum posters doesn't qualify you as bitter.

If anything the RPers really come off as the faction wearing hair shirts and whipping themselves.

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To have posi lash out, and yes that is what happened, and try to cause fear in his customers was out and out wrong.

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Positron didn't cause any fear. The general paranoia was caused by too many people believing forum posters or in-game broadcasts instead of reading his post themselves.

The changes to MA, even the ticket cap, effect very, very few players in this game. This is not the big deal some bitter posters make it out to be.

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Yes you are sane everyone else isn't.

P.S. Bitter ? ? Wishful thinking on your part ?

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Go with my experiment above. Heck Don't even tell them just show a random person (Random as in has no idea who positron is) posi's posts and ask them how he comes off.

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Still not proof of sanity. It's proof of mass paranoia, more than anything else. Just because the majority spazzes and misinterprets and overreacts doesn't make them right.


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I really can't respond to that kind of logic. You are saying that if people who don't even play the game and have nothing to worry about see his posts as being wrong, its the world thats paranoid ?

I am sorry that rabit hole goes far too deep for me.

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Yeah, I sent a gift to the Devs. You think that has bought me some kind of favor? If so, I'd love to know what it is, because so far it has eluded me. I must have forgotten to read the "Now that you are in the Devs Secret Club, here's what you can do" packet that came in the mail.


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Ogon its not all about you. There have been others.

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Go with my experiment above. Heck Don't even tell them just show a random person (Random as in has no idea who positron is) posi's posts and ask them how he comes off.


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You'd lose that bet.

"Offenses so egregious that no one would question their intent" are something everyone is okay with penalizing.

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First I said the post. Not just the snippets you like to try and browbeat people with.

Second I already won, unless the wired reporter is one of the "Minority" that were upset with it.

Failing that. you must think that the upset and angry people had such an ability to persuade we simply overwhelmed the hall monitors and fun police.

Outside of the groupthink that occurs in the offices of paragon studious and the forumites on these boards, highhanded tactics and threatening epistles like posis don't go over to well.

I really like the game but as I said earlier it saddens me to see it can't get out of its own. Everything that was cited as an exploit and removed was reported as a problem to the devs prior to launch. They ignored it. Whats more you had people on the boards complaining about being ignored. To have posi lash out, and yes that is what happened, and try to cause fear in his customers was out and out wrong. That kind of non professionalism makes me worry that I am playing the wrong game. I will probably keep playing this one at least till I see better. Of course before this I really wasn't looking for better. Now I am. It has already cost NCSOFT about 60 bucks worth of extra slots, and magic packs I haven't boght. I don't know how many others said Hmmm lets see how this works out before throwing money at something we might not be using.

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But I'm assuming my energy blaster is the wrong way to go then huh? lol He just cant do that type of stuff and he's 50.

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Hes an almost. Random knockback from your aoes would make it painful.

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a) Are you guys just using Tanks? I got a scrapper that gets down but even he cant last that long solo.Quite frankly I'm a blaster at heart(my main heroes are blasters) and God KNOWS he cant solo no farm by himself. Unless the badguys were created to be superweak. lol


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Not I.

Controller, blaster, scrapper here. I think it may be possible to make a rad/ice or dark/ice defender but tanks just aren't my way. I know some people like them but they always seem way to slow.

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b)It's not a challenge or fun anymore because the devs lowered the amount of xp/rewards you get? Cant you still make/do a AE mission with swarms of guys and still have fun?

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Still do. The worry of getting locked out because of it, not so much the reward nerf takes away the fun. If you have a fully purpled out farmer the nerf isn't so painful. To the people trying to scrape what they need together to get one going its very painful indeed.