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  1. Quote:
    Originally Posted by StratoNexus View Post
    When joining a trial, my league once got thrown into the Praetorian tutorial. I tried very hard to get avid reader, but sadly someone completed the mission before we could click through the 5 or 6 clicks to get the badge (once the mission completes, he no longer chats with you it seems). I did get some badge at the end, agent of something I guess.
    Likely Agent of Praetoria, which I've mentioned several times above is the Praetorian version of the Going Rogue ownership badge.
  2. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Commander View Post
    Now we're in an age where everyone has the abliilty to earn almost every badge. These Praetorian badges will be no different as they will, most likely, add a way for non-Praetorians/Primal Sympathizers to earn them via flashback.
    Except that Agent of Order/Chaos and Agent of Praetoria are two mutually exclusive badges. Both these badges are for one thing: Owning the Going Rogue expansion. To put it another way: Tiger has earned the Primal Earth version of the badge, and should not keep the duplicate.

    It would be like saying a level 50 primal earth character could earn Protector of Innocents, Soldier, and Praetorian Professional on one character. Barring a developer turning on all badges, no character can get both versions.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Commander View Post
    At this point, there is no need to remove badges from people because, in the end, the opportunity will be there to get them all.
    Avid Reader, providing the developers are working on a way for everyone to earn via flashback, I have zero issue with.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Commander View Post
    They didn't mark the badge as Hero Only, as they could have done.
    Agent of Praetoria is marked as Praetorian Only. Avid reader, by its nature is Praetorian Only. Agent of Order is an mutually exclusive badge to the Agent of Order/Chaos and one of the two (either Order/Chaos or Praetoria) should be removed from Tiger.
  3. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Lothic View Post
    So if I had to guess Blazing Tiger had the incredible good luck of being thrown into someone else's Praetorian tutorial mission. This not only allowed her to get Avid Reader but I'm assuming while she was there her Agent of Order/Chaos badge (the primal version of that badge) was flipped to become the Agent of Praetoria (the Praetorian version of that badge). Since she had likely long ago verified Agent of Order/Chaos she was probably able to verify the Agent of Praetoria in that mission or afterwards.
    Agent of Praetoria and Agent of Order/Chaos should be mutually exclusive.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Lothic View Post
    Basically what happened to her is the same thing that happened to a few people back when they "accidentally" got PvP reputation badges or the Passport badge on NA servers automagically. This isn't the first time people have gotten badges they shouldn't have and sadly I doubt it'll be the last.
    Well, I hope it gets corrected (the 2 agent badges), and that everyone gets a chance at avid reader.
  4. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
    No it isn't.

    Private functions can be held in any public setting even outdoors and no one calls the people hosting the functions rude or jerks when uninvited people crash them. Try crashing an outdoor wedding, birthday party, or family reunion for example in a park and see if you aren't the one being the obnoxious jerk.

    Just because an event is being held online doesn't invalidate it's privacy, and your dancing around, and desperate attempts to come up with excuses and justifications only proves you know your argument is flawed and you don't really believe in it.
    No, Comic stated he wanted my address so he can crash a party there. Not a public venue, my address. That invalidates his argument. He didn't say next time you plan a party in a park or restaurant or meeting hall (though if I booked a meeting hall, I could freely have him and his "friend" ejected as long as I followed the rules of the contract).
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    Give me your address. Host a cookout someday for JUST people you know. It could be special, like a costume party. I'm going to show up dressed inappropriately. I'm going to bring food and drink so I'm not mooching but I'm going to be dressed in a way not fitting with the occasion. Oh by the way I'm bringing some drunken guy that you don't know and I don't even know. He might be a swell guy for all we know...but he might not. Think of it as a way to meet a new golf buddy.
    He is talking about trespassing. Private property, not some park, restaurant, or meeting hall.

    If he wants to go to a restaurant, a park, or other public place I'm visiting, then he has to follow the rules of the business or area in question. At a park or some other place, I have only have recourse if he attacks or is stalking me. At my address, I can phone the police and have him arrested and removed for trespassing because I do have an expectation of privacy on my own property.

    Asking for my private address does invalidate my expectancy of privacy.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
    and your dancing around, and desperate attempts to come up with excuses and justifications only proves you know your argument is flawed and you don't really believe in it.
    And resorting to ad hominems isn't helping your position.
  5. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Comicsluvr View Post
    Analogy fail there...sorry.

    If I have a league event in the RWZ and other people show up, they're sitting in the restaurant.

    If I have a trial and uninvited people show up they're not in the restaurant, they're sitting at our tables eating our food and sharing our conversation. Even if they pay their own tab they're uninvited.
    No, they are not. If the restaurant seats 16 people, and you have a reservation for 10, and 5 people are already there then the people with the reservation can't kick out the 5 people already there. If you have a reservation for 16 people, the management will ask the extras to leave or, in this case, move the 16 people to a new room.

    You are confusing a public venue with a private venue. The LFG queue is a public venue.

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    Originally Posted by Comicsluvr View Post
    As for my earlier point regarding the idea of ONLY being able to enter the trials via the turnstile, I can say with some degree of certainty that players would stop using them and express their disfavor with their 'unsub' buttons. The level of negativity in this and similar threads is a pretty good indicator of that.
    You can speculate that all you want, I'd disagree with the reaction to be at that level. Will some players unsubscribe? Possibly. Would most players care that much? I doubt it. If the people that are calling for a lock are being honest, then there will be people that would still use the turnstile if it didn't allow players to make a league before entering.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Comicsluvr View Post
    And if you feel so strongly in favor of the system, would it be possible for you to validate your beliefs by ONLY using the turnstile system from now on? I mean you advocate using it, you apparently hope the Devs will change the system to make it mandatory, so my only question is are you strong enough in your convictions to lead the charge and be the first to do so?
    I already do use the turnstile system solo. I've gotten on teams with it. I'm not going to inconvenience groups that will let me do multiple runs with them by quitting and entering the queue solo each time though. Using ad hominems is not a good way to support your argument.

    Would I prefer a strong signal that private leagues aren't really private? Of course. I am not going to cut my nose to spite you though. If I make a league and it doesn't fill, then I'll continue to gladly accept people from the queue. Why? It is because I don't consider a less than full league to be private.

    I think anyone that thinks taking less than a full league to a trial gives them the right to a private trial is deluding themselves.
  6. Quote:
    Originally Posted by EvilGeko View Post
    I would. After you have your very rare alphas, Notices have no use at all.
    I don't know, I'm still planning on creating all 32 alpha tree powers on one character. Then again, I'm sure that people will think doing that is crazy.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by EvilGeko View Post
    Three weeks yes, but realistically only three TFs. Versus 8 trials. There's no need for us to fight, because I don't really have any quarrel with your figures, I just think there's no way the devs would set it that low.
    <shrug> I'm not wanting to quarrel with you, but I didn't want the developers to think that kind of price gouging was acceptable.
  7. Quote:
    Originally Posted by StratoNexus View Post
    I usually run 4 teams of x for Keep Em Separated (although I have done it with 3 teams as well). Sometimes I'll also see something in the AT makeup that makes me want to use 4 teams instead of 3.

    I really wish "team" was irrelevant in the trial's reward generation, as using them for organizational purposes should be their function.
    I've used 4 teams of 6 in this way:
    • Top 2 players on each team to Ambushes
    • Middle 2 players on each team to Siege
    • Bottom 2 players on each team to Night Star
    It divides the teams equally, and spreads out the rewards to all teams.
  8. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Zubenelgenubi View Post
    All,

    Over on Badge-Hunter.com, Blazing Tiger sits at the top of the list of badges with 1229. She does NOT have Bug Hunter or Passport.

    Looking at the list, he DOES have Avid Reader and Agent of Praetoria. Meaning this is a Praetorian character.

    But how can any Praetorian character have all the anniversary badges, as she clearly does? Is some bug involved that allowed a several-year-old Blazing Tiger to get Praetorian-only badges, or a different bug that allowed a new Praetorian character to get old anniversary badges?
    It is likely a bug with Herostats, not the game. Herostats doesn't immediately recognise a character switch and can continue to report that a character is on for up to 5 minutes. During that time badges from a new character can be mis-applied.

    Edit:
    You might want to look at this post on the CIT forums about it:
    http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index.....html#msg37691

    Apparently it happens with the quit to character selection (instead of quitting to login).
  9. Quote:
    Originally Posted by EvilGeko View Post
    Please note, and Snow Globe knows this to be true, that the developers tend to come in SIGNIFICANTLY higher than I set the bar at. I recognize that three Notices seems steep, but I would actually expect the devs to set it higher. The comparator deterministic factor is Empyrean merits, and I'm guessing the devs would want them to have at least a 3 to 1 advantage in time over NoTW.
    Yes, and if they did make it 3 Notices per Thread Rare, no one would ever use it, so it is pointless to set it that high. Setting the 3:1 Notice to Rare ratio would be significantly more costly than the Notice->Favor conversion. It would be so costly that I doubt that anyone would use it.

    Edit:
    A rare thread component is 4 days of trials. A Notice is 1 per 7 days. To use EvilGeko's figures it would take 21 days for a single rare thread component.

    A very rare thread component is 15 days of trials. A Favor of the Well takes 2 weeks + 32 shards (about 2.5 weeks). To use EvilGeko's figures, that is 5.5 weeks for a single very rare thread component.
  10. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
    Snow we all see what your doing. You are trying to use the forum rules as a smokescreen rather than admit that you don't believe what you've been arguing applies to you.

    Everyone including the mods knows Comics wasn't asking or expecting you to actually post personal info on the forums.
    Comic's "point" was inherently flawed.

    A private function at -my- residence isn't a public function. On the other hand if I had a party at a restaurant, I couldn't stop anyone from going to said restaurant unless I made previsions with the management to book (fill) the entire restaurant's seating. The management still has the right to let other people in if the reservation is less than the available seating, at -their- discretion, not the people booking a less than full group.

    The same thing applies to the LFG queue. A full league books the entire reservation for the trial, a partial league is open to other people joining.
  11. Quote:
    Originally Posted by EvilGeko View Post
    I would suggest the following conversion rate:

    Rare thread component = 3 (three) Notices of the Well
    Very rare thread component = 1 (one) Favor of the Well; 3 (three) Notices of the Well
    A touch overpriced. I'd say the following sounds "about right":

    Rare thread component = 1 (one) Notice of the Well + 16 (sixteen) shards
    Very rare thread component = 1 (one) Favor of the Well + 16 (sixteen) shards

    This way there would still be a penalty, but not such an excessive one that no one would use it.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by EvilGeko View Post
    Additionally, I would allow a player to purchase a common or uncommon thread component for one Notice of the Well. We're at a point where the trials have had a period of exclusivity and opening up the options seems more than appropriate.
    Having a Notice break down 1:1 to an uncommon thread component would be acceptable.
  12. I'm guessing Virtue based on his last 25 posts.
  13. Snow Globe

    Master of Lambda

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Saber_Spectre View Post
    has anyone tried using temps from a previous Lamb run on a Mo run?

    ie get 10 acids on a run get the 10 more use the 10 'extra' ones and then kill marauder without nades (or vice versa...)
    The real-time limit on those temp powers is such that they can't be used during the next run.
  14. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
    Edit: If Wendy actually is on your ignore list why do you care what she says? Are you concerned she may be tearing apart the flaws in your argument for everyone to see and by ignoring her you are now powerless to refute her? Just curious.
    I agree with Memphis_Bill:

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
    (Edit: And I do think you're reading Wendy wrong - but I also get the feeling you're both grating on each other at this point, and backing off is probably the wisest course of action.)
    I backed off of Wendy by ignoring her posts. Seeing that even trying to say anything to her sparked another round of venom, I'm literally tuning her out. If she wants to continue, that's fine. I don't have to put up with it though.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Comicsluvr View Post
    Other players might consider trials their quiet time. They pay their sub the same as you do. Who are you to decide which is right?
    I'm not the one putting other players in the league, the game is. Choose your targets better.
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Comicsluvr View Post
    Ah but by merely being IN the trial they've changed it. They add to spawn size and their added FX might contribute to crashes by others.
    I'll agree with the spawn size, but I don't think added FX has anything to do with the crashes. If it is, then they better stay away from ANY of the following:
    • Talos Wentworths (any server)
    • Atlas Park (any server)
    • Pocket D (any server)
    • RWZ (any server)
    • Rikti Raid event (any server)
    • Zombie event (any server)
    • Banner event (any server)
    • Most of Praetoria
    • Virtue Server (any zone)
    • Freedom Server (any zone)

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Comicsluvr View Post
    And the ENTIRE POINT of this thread and others like it is to tell the Devs we don't agree with their expectations. To explain why we don't agree with their expectations. To try to offer alternatives to their expectations.
    As is your right. It is my right to be able to say that I like the system.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Comicsluvr View Post
    Oh and btw if they didn't want players to have private (pre-built) leagues then they would FORCE them to use the turnstile ALL THE TIME. I wonder how long that idea would last...
    In a way I hope that happens, it would send an even clearer signal than already exists that if you want to participate in the trials, it will be an inclusive effort.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Comicsluvr View Post
    It's not that they refuse to see the positive sides of the system, they simply feel that the negatives outweigh them. And again, they pay their subs as well so you cannot say that your opinion is more right than theirs.
    And they can't say that their opinion is more right than mine either. The final arbiters of what is right for the game are the developers.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Comicsluvr View Post
    Translation: You should always bring enough food and drink for 1-2 extra guests to show up at your party whether you want them there or not. I don't care if you're holding a private party, the fact that you're holding it at the subdivision's clubhouse means that when the two guys from down the block show up you HAVE to let them in if you have room.
    Analogy fail. The extra guests aren't coming from down the block, they are from the same condo, and the terms of the clubhouse state that any owner can use the clubhouse at any time. The rules of this particular clubhouse are being enforced.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Comicsluvr View Post
    Give me your address. Host a cookout someday for JUST people you know. It could be special, like a costume party. I'm going to show up dressed inappropriately. I'm going to bring food and drink so I'm not mooching but I'm going to be dressed in a way not fitting with the occasion. Oh by the way I'm bringing some drunken guy that you don't know and I don't even know. He might be a swell guy for all we know...but he might not. Think of it as a way to meet a new golf buddy.
    You might want to check the forum rules & guidelines:
    Quote:
    3. No posting of personal information

    Please respect the privacy of other City of Heroes/Villains players and do not give out personal information such as phone numbers, addresses, email addresses, etc.
    Asking for that information might be considered trolling.
  15. Quote:
    Originally Posted by McNum View Post
    You can't. The window explicitly says that using any full screen interface, like tailor and respec, is not possible while waiting.
    That means enhancing is out of the question too.
  16. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
    If they are waiting in queue for someone else to do the work for them then they can use that time constructively by running other regular missions.
    You can't run regular missions while in the queue. I'm not sure if you can access the tailor or respec screens either.
  17. Quote:
    This message is hidden because Wicked_Wendy is on your ignore list.
    Quote:
    This message is hidden because Wicked_Wendy is on your ignore list.
    Is Wendy still responding to me? If she is I don't know why she is bothering.
  18. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Aura_Familia View Post
    This is NOT a foreign concept in this game or mmos in general. I do not understand why you're not getting this. Folks like to decide for themselves when they PUG and when they team with friends/sgs/coalitions exclusively. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who has played this game for seven years. And it certainly shouldn't be to the devs.
    It is because I want to believe the developer promise that a player doesn't have to be a member of a group or know anyone on a server to participate in a trial. Allowing players to isolate their groups from outsiders causes that promise to be broken.

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    Originally Posted by Arcanaville View Post
    At this point, if I were the devs I would simply restructure the trials to make it unambiguous what the intent was in a way the players could not impose alternate meaning. I would basically make them zone events. Lambda and BAF would be visually situated as a "permanent zone" just like the Hive, and people would have to enter it just like the Hive. Everyone within the zone would automatically be added to an invisible zone-wide league, but players would be free to make whatever teams they wanted. Attempting to enter the zone would queue you until the minimum team size was queued. Attempting to enter the zone once a trial started would spawn a new instance of the zone.

    It would be in all respects a Hive with a minimum occupancy requirement. Asking for a private Lambda would be like asking for a private Rikti invasion, which would be for the most part nonsensical. That would be the end of it for me. At that point anyone who wanted to argue that zone events should be private would be free to do so, and I would be free to work on making animated hair.
    I would accept this, if badges were tweaked.
  19. Quote:
    Originally Posted by baron_inferno View Post
    As I have already mentioned before, the only thing the LFG tool is doing right now is dumping extras into pre-formed trials. Is that the intended purpose/use of the tool? I think not therefore it is broken and not functioning as intended. With that mind, should I choose to ignore it entirely, no one has the high ground to tell me otherwise.
    What if it is and a developer came right out and said it? Would you say the developer didn't have the high ground to tell you that is what they intended?

    At this point, I think those that have made their up their mind to think that the developers are wrong or that the LFG system isn't functioning as it is supposed to be will not be appeased even if a developer speaks to the issue.
  20. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Flux_Vector View Post
    At the end of the day, leagues are in their infancy. They have a lot of room for improvement in the richness and functionality of their management tools overall; a locking feature is just one of many things I think they need to stand toe to toe with their competitors's raid management systems in the MMORPG marketplace. But it's an important one, because 'not being grouped with other people at random against their will' is a fundamental expectation of MMORPG players set and reinforced by nearly 20 years of precedent in the marketplace.
    At the end of the day, a locking feature will break the developer promise of not needing to be in the "right" group to participate in the trials/raids.

    I'd suggest that you read this article about MMO raids:
    http://tobolds.blogspot.com/2010/05/...g-raiding.html

    It is focused on the market leading MMO, but the points the article makes are relevant here. People complain about needing a guild/group/whatever to raid in other MMOs, the way the LFG system works in this game eliminates that need.

    By crippling the Looking For Group system by allowing groups to disable the system's ability to add players from the queue to the trial is to doom this game's raid system to other game's past mistakes.
  21. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rylas View Post
    1. Let's assume that you actually understand the player base as a whole, and everyone prefered locking leagues. If so, that means that right now, the majority of the player base is not happy with the Queue system as it is, which means it seriously needs to be looked at and changed to accomodate this majority you've asserted.
    Given that I'm seeing even PUG groups trying to lock leagues with the team lock tool, I think I can safely say that most people will lock leagues.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rylas View Post
    2. You've already stated you think the amount of instances people have been kicked in the way the OP experienced are scattered and rare instances. If so, this implies the majority of the population is open to LFG players, and any changes to the gueue to allow controlled team size would hardly make all leagues locked.
    It implies no such thing. All that implies is that people don't want to feel bad about kicking someone from the league.

    This is because most people that want a private league would feel bad kicking players who the system teams with them. That is why kicking isn't more rampant. You've said it yourself -- that you'd feel bad kicking someone, but would want a way to prevent them joining in the first place. The system doesn't allow for you prevent people from joining so the person being added has a chance to actually do the trial.
  22. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wicked_Wendy View Post
    Now I do find it amusing that he actually had to leave a global channel in game because he was being personally attacked. Hmm considering the way he treats anyone here that had the audicty to disagree with his opinion I wonder why that came about?
    Because I had the audacity to actually moderate a moderated channel.

    As to the rest, seeing that you can't seem to prevent yourself from making attacks, welcome to my ignore list.
  23. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
    I could see it, and losing a channel you created, really coloring your view, though. And honestly, it's something I'm sorry to hear. You and I don't see eye to eye, and I don't believe we've ever generally gotten along, but it's not the sort of experience I want to hear of anyone having.
    While I didn't create it, I have tried to keep it to its purpose.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
    You *are* biased, badly. Yes, you could say the same thing about me, I suppose, but it looks like what you've gone through in game has badly colored your perception of the rest of the playerbase.
    On the whole, I would like to think most people are decent. However there are enough bad apples to see the same attitude, mostly to a lesser degree (there have been a couple posters that brought the exact same unpleasantness in these discussions), in the posters that are asking for a league lock.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
    The majority of those arguing against you (and Hyperstrike, and Arcanaville... I guess you three are the major ones arguing for status quo here) aren't saying they don't want to team with others. Including me. Some haven't stated a preference at all, honestly. But the majority? An option to lock for the times they want a certain playstyle, that's all. That is not an argument for permanently locking them, or refusing to team with others, or "elitism" or whatever else it may be painted as. I'm arguing for it, and I've just been running on several trials over on Guardian - no kicking, no desire to, and probably 75% of the people there have no idea which character was mine, or for that matter who I am.
    The really annoying thing about this, even if I didn't have my opinions lowered by some people, the point stands about most people locking leagues. People I've been doing trials with, some that I know that love to PUG and are completely welcoming to other players, are already trying to lock leagues (mistakenly using the team locks) with every run. These people aren't trying to run SG-only events, yet they are still trying to lock the league. That alone tells me that a league lock will not be used sparingly.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
    All that's being asked for is the ability.

    And yes, I *do* believe the playerbase in general will use it responsibly.
    I truly wish I could believe that, but given ample evidence of people willing to PUG trying to lock leagues, I can't.
  24. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Flux_Vector View Post
    Oh, and yes, privacy and freedom to choose with whom one associates? Basic, fundamental human rights that everyone ought to enjoy.
    And the restaurant wouldn't be obliged to serve a customer know to be problematic to the clientèle. In that case the person that insists disrupting seating arrangements can be refused service.

    In other words, if you don't like the service as presented, you are free to eat elsewhere.
  25. Quote:
    Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill View Post
    I think, even when they were *new,* the most I saw were 2, MAYBE 3 ship raids in a row. And that hasn't been for years.
    Not that long ago Triumph had 5 MS Raids in a row, with tiny breaks between a few of the raids.