Antigonus

Sadly, it wasn't just as simple as being ignored. In some cases the changes moved in the complete opposite direction of what was asked.

That's not disregard for the player base. That's a slap in the face. That's as clear a "**** you" message as could possible be sent.

No character needs Stamina. But it's just such a good power to have it's stupid not to take it on any character that doesn't have an endurance recovery power in their sets.

I think it's safe to say that, generally speaking, the people who would use a auto-level feature couldn't care less about missing a few contacts/missions. Chances are they have already done them MANY times before.

Why would that character get any inf? Even if the devs allowed the auto-level, I can't see them ever giving free inf. That would completely destroy any semblemce of an economy in the game.

On the other hand, allowing a character to auto-level to 50 along with the new feature we are already getting that allows players to e-mail inf to themselves serves as a very effective inf sink that actualy helps reduce inflation by effectively removing money from the game. Seems like a win/win to me.

You might as well say the same about inspirations.

Or travel powers.

Or enhancements.


Stamina is just one more element of the game that people use or don't. Saying that somebody doesn't know the game because they take Stamina is either stupid or arrogant. I'll let you decide which.

The typical response will be that it causes people to get bored with the game too fast. They get their 50, see that there is not really anything special to do at 50, and then leave the game.

I have a few problem with that reasoning.

1) While it would be true in some cases, it would not be true in many others. PvPers for instance would love this idea and have asked for it before. Say what you will about PvP and the people who play it, they are paying customers who usually have multiple accounts. That's money in the bank right there. And if this happened, along with fixing some major issues with PvP, we would actually see some growth in that area. While many people wouldn't like that idea, NCSoft would because that's more money for them. I imagine there are a few other sub-groups that would like this idea as well.

2) This game isn't getting any bigger. Face it people, it's just not going to happen. The population has never seen more than a temporary growth spike, after which it slides back down. That's not a DOOOOOOOOMM statement, it's fact. Those of us that are still here are here for the long haul. Most of us have done the PvE game to death and have multiple 50s. The ones that still love it don't have to do anything different. They can just keep on playing the game as they always have. Those of us that are bored to tears with PvE can use this to keep playing the part of the game we like, and consequently keep paying for it.


The only down side of pay to level is that some newer players would use it and leave before they really played the game. I don't really see that as a problem since it is happening already thanks to AE and RMT PLing services. Those are the people that the game doesn't really need, so just give them what they really want and send them on there way a few dollars poorer. The difference is that NCSoft will get the money instead of the PLers. And if it proves to be more of a problem than that, then level restrict it and make it a Vet reward as has been suggested. Then the only people using it are the ones who are at the point in the game where they are getting bored. IF they are already on the fence about leaving, then this might keep them around for a little longer to easily try new sets without slogging through 50 levels of content they've already see a hundred times before.

Unless you have completed the journey dozens of times, in which case it loses alot of the fun factor.

I would do it in a heartbeat. I PvP, and that's pretty much it. I haven't leveled a character legitimately in over a year, and have no plans to till at least GR because the PvE is so damn boring now. Payed auto-level would keep me playing (and paying) for far longer.

I would probably take him and his troller over some of the baddos that signed up for the league.

Just saying.

Sure, for SC as long as he doesn't take Fly. Throw that placate proc in there and kills are stupid easy.

The thread in particular I was refering too was from Lighthouse, and no surprise there it got deleted, as apparently most of his threads got deleted. But there is another from Arcanaville that mirrors it, and since she was instrumental in the design of I13 PvP, it's fairly safe to say she was speaking with the devs voice at that time.

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...10#post2082510


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And Barrier, for the most part you are right. I have never participated in test PvP or the ladder when it was up. That does not mean I am completely unversed in PvP. I ran practices with the Sitting Ducks in the early days. I did KBs with many of them as well. Cowboy John was the only one of them I could never beat. Maybe that was because he was the only one of them worth anything, but that's done. I'm not really trying to break down anybody's ideas here. I'm just trying to make sure that the ideas are presented in a fashion the devs will actually listen too because I still for some reason care about PvP in this game. I'll sit out now and let the big kids talk.

Never claimed that. Look, we've had this conversation many times already about this same subject. And every time the devs tell us that we weren't convincing enough. That we didn't give them enough information. That we didn't present our case convincingly enough.

But the noobs apparently did. And now we have the noob vision of PvP, and as far as the devs are concerned we have only ourselves to blame. Yeah, I know, it's BS. But they are the ones we have to convince if you want to have any hope of seeing any of these changes made. Present them with a good case. Don't just make a wish list and expect changes. We tried that before. It didn't work and they told us why it didn't work. Explain to them in detail exactly why every single one of these changes need to happen and why PvP would be better for it. They aren't going to listen to people QQing "oh my stalker sux! i want to 2 shot baddos! fix it noa!"

It's not my fractured reality. It's the devs. They are the ones you need to convince if you want a change. I agree that Stalkers need to be buffed. They don't. That means the onus is on you to prove to them that PvP will be improved by allowing Stalkers to 2 shot squishies. If this is just a pie in the sky wish list then great. Wish for whatever you want. But if you want them to actually listen, you have to back it up with something more substantial.

Ok, while this is a very cute response, it doesn't in any way answer the question.


Why should it be possible for any AT to 2 shot a squishy, even a bad one? What does it add to PvP to make it better as a whole?

I agree there is a problem. Allowing a Stalker to 2 shot a target is not going to fix the problem.

I agree it's pretty much impossible, as it should be. So why should it be possible? What would that add to the game? Please, support you argument with in game numbers.




So somebody fighting a Blaster isn't capable of the same move/heal/phase/resist/not-have-downs that so vexes you as a Stalker? It's been a long time since I died to a Blaster in 6 seconds or less and that was only because he had 4 damage procs fire in his first 5 attacks. That's not gonna happen often.

In what way does being capable of 2 shotting a squishy make it smarter? No AT should be able to do that. 3 shots, sure as that at least gives noobs a chance to survive for a few seconds. Increasing their damage makes AS the I Win button that so many people already feel they have.

I agree that something should be done about AS, as there are way too many bad Stalkers that can't manage to do more than spam Impale, but increasing the damage isn't the best way to do it.

I don't see the justification for any AT being able to 2 shot a squishy, even one that uses a 4 second interuptable melee attack. I would rather they reduce the base activation and the interupt time by 1 second each and maybe even extend the range a bit, but keep the damage as is.