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Originally Posted by SteelDominator View Post
If I knew COH was closing in 2012 and it was even a year before shut down I would have felt better about it. I would have known way ahead of time, not within 90 days. Even then after all development was completed and NCSoft would say it was time to move, I would have accepted that.

I can't trust NCsofts product anymore. They have built the reputation of pulling the plug without proper notice. 90 days isn't proper notice.
But when CoH went free to play didn't you see a red allarm light suddenly going on escpecially after they had previously united the USA and EU servers? In hindsight you could say that the end of CoH was foretold simply everyone did choose to ignore the clues.


 

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All the more reason to enjoy a game while it's available, no?

If you had known that CoH would get shut down in 2012, would you never have played it? Nothing lasts forever, you guys. CoH had an excellent run.

Of course it's a matter of time before GW2 gets shut down, but refusing to play it (or some other NCSoft game) because it could get shut down is some ridiculous paranoid Sword of Damocles ****. CoH ran for what, like 7-8 years? That's a long time, you guys.

But you know, whatever, play what you wanna play, don't play what you don't want to play. Sure, almost all consumer choices are based off emotion but we should at least try to be rational and reasonable.
City of Heroes II (or anything) made by the Paragon Studios team would be the only way that I will spend a dime on anything affiliated with NCSoft again. Short of something to that effect, I'm done with them.


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Yeah one major clue, was NCSoft's track record. COX isnt the first game they shutdown. I think it's number five.

If a person isnt going to invest in another MMO because it could be ripped from under them at any moment and they are actually true to that way, then I dont think they would have been playing this game or invested that much and time into it if that was the case.
I understand maybe the first timers to the MMO world and it's an unfortunate punch in the gut of the reality of it.

ANy MMO can be shut down at any moment. Do many companies do it? Overall, no. Did NCSoft have a habit of doing it? Yep. Thier behavior track record was available just as much as it was after the announcement when many people decided to jump on the MMO Killer moniker. They been MMO killer for a long time now, yet, most of them was more than happy to invest their time and money they miss into them.

Would trust someone with your retirement if they hada track record of disappearing with the money? Most people would not. And if people did anyways knowing that track record, most people would say that is illogical behavior if they start talking about that person scammed them. Do it make the scam proper, by no means. But most peopel would ask, Why did you give your money to a person that you knew hada record fo running off with it? Same concept here, on a smaller scale, well cant measure the emotional investment in quantity. Yet some people rationalize it by saying the other games needed to be shut down or it was obvious they would shut down or NCSoft didnt seem crazy enough to do it to us just as people who give money to a known scam artist will say, well maybe they turneda new leaf, those people that got scammed should of kept an eye on him better, oh it was because they was in California, I'm in NYC.

I guess maybe now they understand that no one is immune now like in the past. It can happen to any game any community, at any time based off the decision of a few and that is how it always been since MMOs been created. Just many was blind to that fact. Like a Tornado can happen anywhere all time of the year. Some places are less likely to have them just as some companies are less likely to close a game. If a person live in Tornado alley and get too cozy because a tornado hasnt hit your area yet, then that is their folly if they are caught unprepared with no insurance even though they seen tornadoes hit their neighbors house, the one across the street, and three more or so down the street. And cant say that they thought they didnt need insurance because they havent had tornadoes in Seattle in over ten years now. For MMO disasters, NCSOft is tornado alley, other companies have other type fo disasters and other companies have even less if very few disasters and thus do not shut down games as often. Can it still happen of course.

I cant imagine how this game shutting down feel to an MMO virgin that thought it was like console games where it last forever. I dont see where the veterans, especially those that "claimed" to have played NCSoft other now defunct games have an excuse. It the nature of the beast except we chose to inhabit the realm of a beast that had for a long time now a habit of biting.

It is good choice to not give any more money to NCSoft if they feel that is right. It's better late than never. Guess people have to get actually bit to realize they are not as immune as they say think they are. It's sad that is what has to happen, where they must see their hard work, money, ideas, go down the tubes to learn the nature of the MMO world and understand that just because they are playing the game doesnt mean that their presence all of a sudden make that game special and immune to shutdown. Too many years have people walked around here as if COX and themselves were god's great gift to this MMO world and now NCSOft just proven that this game and those people are just merely another drop in the bucket that is not even worth keeping around.

I'm more in sympathy for those that actually lost something in dealing with NCSoft than those that are angry due to their own blindness. Customers just lost a game to a company that even prior to Aug 31st was known as an MMO killer. When people brought it up in the past they was shouted down by the same ones that are now labeling NCSoft an MMO killer. I guess at the time the people who called NCSOft out was "wrong" because it didnt affect COX. That's why this thing kind of look like a mere selfish thing because no one gave a crap and if ya said anythign negative about NCSoft then you was called every insult in the book. Now if you dont call NCSoft insults ya labeled an employee and worse. I'm sure most dont have selfish intentions and are truely hurt.

So yes protest, dont do buisness with NCSoft, curse the day they was created but in the end I hope this time those people truely learned something. It's just sad that it took them to have this pain directly to learn. They had 4-5 other games to open the yes yet chose to keep them shut. Well, now the lesson has fallen on their heads this time. Do not get into the bed with things that habits that would hurt if they do it to you. No matter how much emotion you give, or how many ideas, or how attached, a buisness will do what a buisness does and most of the time emotion have no place in buisness. I can gurantee I think the protest would have gotten a lot more attention if it was done when any of those other games was shutdown. Because then it would not come off as the usual angry nerd-rage because their game got shut down. When we remained quiet when NCSOft was busy shutting down the other games, thet probably figured, hell, we can get away with it to anybody. No one gives up a fuss as long as it's not their game. So COX shutdown probbaly wasnt to hard decision for them and again, many of those people in other games just shrug. It's a cycle. IS the people that is protesting now will be there to protest when GW goes under? Or will the entire protest be known as gamers that only protested because it was their game and dont give a crap about any other games. People talk about me and my inability to feel what others feel but the way it looks, it looks like I'm far from the only one. I'm just not blind to that fact.


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Yeah one major clue, was NCSoft's track record. COX isnt the first game they shutdown. I think it's number five.

If a person isnt going to invest in another MMO because it could be ripped from under them at any moment and they are actually true to that way, then I dont think they would have been playing this game or invested that much and time into it if that was the case.
I understand maybe the first timers to the MMO world and it's an unfortunate punch in the gut of the reality of it.

ANy MMO can be shut down at any moment. Do many companies do it? Overall, no. Did NCSoft have a habit of doing it? Yep. Thier behavior track record was available just as much as it was after the announcement when many people decided to jump on the MMO Killer moniker. They been MMO killer for a long time now, yet, most of them was more than happy to invest their time and money they miss into them.

Would trust someone with your retirement if they hada track record of disappearing with the money? Most people would not. And if people did anyways knowing that track record, most people would say that is illogical behavior if they start talking about that person scammed them. Do it make the scam proper, by no means. But most peopel would ask, Why did you give your money to a person that you knew hada record fo running off with it? Same concept here, on a smaller scale, well cant measure the emotional investment in quantity. Yet some people rationalize it by saying the other games needed to be shut down or it was obvious they would shut down or NCSoft didnt seem crazy enough to do it to us just as people who give money to a known scam artist will say, well maybe they turneda new leaf, those people that got scammed should of kept an eye on him better, oh it was because they was in California, I'm in NYC.

I guess maybe now they understand that no one is immune now like in the past. It can happen to any game any community, at any time based off the decision of a few and that is how it always been since MMOs been created. Just many was blind to that fact. Like a Tornado can happen anywhere all time of the year. Some places are less likely to have them just as some companies are less likely to close a game. If a person live in Tornado alley and get too cozy because a tornado hasnt hit your area yet, then that is their folly if they are caught unprepared with no insurance even though they seen tornadoes hit their neighbors house, the one across the street, and three more or so down the street. And cant say that they thought they didnt need insurance because they havent had tornadoes in Seattle in over ten years now. For MMO disasters, NCSOft is tornado alley, other companies have other type fo disasters and other companies have even less if very few disasters and thus do not shut down games as often. Can it still happen of course.

I cant imagine how this game shutting down feel to an MMO virgin that thought it was like console games where it last forever. I dont see where the veterans, especially those that "claimed" to have played NCSoft other now defunct games have an excuse. It the nature of the beast except we chose to inhabit the realm of a beast that had for a long time now a habit of biting.

It is good choice to not give any more money to NCSoft if they feel that is right. It's better late than never. Guess people have to get actually bit to realize they are not as immune as they say think they are. It's sad that is what has to happen, where they must see their hard work, money, ideas, go down the tubes to learn the nature of the MMO world and understand that just because they are playing the game doesnt mean that their presence all of a sudden make that game special and immune to shutdown. Too many years have people walked around here as if COX and themselves were god's great gift to this MMO world and now NCSOft just proven that this game and those people are just merely another drop in the bucket that is not even worth keeping around.

I'm more in sympathy for those that actually lost something in dealing with NCSoft than those that are angry due to their own blindness. Customers just lost a game to a company that even prior to Aug 31st was known as an MMO killer. When people brought it up in the past they was shouted down by the same ones that are now labeling NCSoft an MMO killer. I guess at the time the people who called NCSOft out was "wrong" because it didnt affect COX. That's why this thing kind of look like a mere selfish thing because no one gave a crap and if ya said anythign negative about NCSoft then you was called every insult in the book. Now if you dont call NCSoft insults ya labeled an employee and worse. I'm sure most dont have selfish intentions and are truely hurt.

So yes protest, dont do buisness with NCSoft, curse the day they was created but in the end I hope this time those people truely learned something. It's just sad that it took them to have this pain directly to learn. They had 4-5 other games to open the yes yet chose to keep them shut. Well, now the lesson has fallen on their heads this time. Do not get into the bed with things that habits that would hurt if they do it to you. No matter how much emotion you give, or how many ideas, or how attached, a buisness will do what a buisness does and most of the time emotion have no place in buisness. I can gurantee I think the protest would have gotten a lot more attention if it was done when any of those other games was shutdown. Because then it would not come off as the usual angry nerd-rage because their game got shut down. When we remained quiet when NCSOft was busy shutting down the other games, thet probably figured, hell, we can get away with it to anybody. No one gives up a fuss as long as it's not their game. So COX shutdown probbaly wasnt to hard decision for them and again, many of those people in other games just shrug. It's a cycle. IS the people that is protesting now will be there to protest when GW goes under? Or will the entire protest be known as gamers that only protested because it was their game and dont give a crap about any other games. People talk about me and my inability to feel what others feel but the way it looks, it looks like I'm far from the only one. I'm just not blind to that fact.


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Glad you found a game. I refuse to use any NCSoft products, that's just me.
I will never spend another dollar on an NCSoft game.


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