A little help :)


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Hi all recently came into a bit of money and decided to invest in a new system.
Below is a custom build I have come up with.

CPU: NEW! Intel Core i7 3930K @ 4.5Ghz
CPU Cooler: NEW! Corsair H100 Water Cooler
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
Motherboard: NEW! Asus Rampage IV Extreme
RAM: NEW! 32GB Corsair 2133mhz Vengeance (8x4GB)
Hard Drive: NEW! Corsair 240GB Force3 SSD S-ATAIII 6.0Gb/s
Additional Storage: NEW! 2TB S-ATAIII 6.0Gb/s
Optical Drive: 22x DVD±RW DL S-ATA
2nd optical drive: 10x Blu-Ray RW S-ATA
Graphics card: NEW! NVIDIA GeForce GTX 690 4GB
Sound card: NEW! Creative Recon3D PCI-E
Monitors: NEW! BenQ XL2410T 23.6" LED 3D
Case: NEW! Coolermaster Cosmos II
PSU: NEW! 1050W Corsair HX Modular

A few questions I have.

With regard to Ram what are the pro's and cons of having 8x4gb instead of 4x8gb, is it just room?

With regards to RAID 0 I have heard some pretty nasty tales of very bad consequences if things fail, just wondering if any have good experiences with them?

With regards to Windows 7 Prof, does it have a RAM limit?, I know Home edition did.

If any can add or make changes to my system to improve please do so.


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First it's serious overkill for this game but it should top 60FPS in Metro 2033.

For memory, it's usually just a trade off in price, the 8x4GB should be cheaper, but there is a downside when it comes to overclocking memory or reducing memory timings, in which case more isn't better.

64-bit Win 7 Pro and up is 192GB of system memory.

Sorry, I don't normally work with such an unlimited budget but I don't see anything that I would classify as a problem.


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Originally Posted by Father Xmas View Post
First it's serious overkill for this game but it should top 60FPS in Metro 2033.

For memory, it's usually just a trade off in price, the 8x4GB should be cheaper, but there is a downside when it comes to overclocking memory or reducing memory timings, in which case more isn't better.

64-bit Win 7 Pro and up is 192GB of system memory.

Sorry, I don't normally work with such an unlimited budget but I don't see anything that I would classify as a problem.
Thanks very much, with Ram I thought this was the case but wanted to be sure, and will be going for Win 7 Pro for sure, had a look into Windows 8 and really didn't like the look or layout of it (bit to console/tablet for my liking, i'm, oldskool at heart).

Now I just have to wait until my local electric shop can get 690 graphics card, they are pretty hard to get hold of apparently.


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Well Win 7 Home has a 16GB limit so Pro would be required if you want to use all 32GB of memory.

In that case perhaps a pair of OC GTX 670s may be an alternative you would consider. It could also save you a bit of money as you pointed out, GTX 690s are difficult to find and probably run at a premium due to their rarity. Plus how big of a market is there for a $1000 video card? I can understand why they didn't make a boatload of them.

Also I think I shot too high for frame rate in the latest version of Metro 2033. A stock clock GTX 690 only breaks 60FPS at 1920x1080 without antialiasing. At AAx4, low to mid 40s.

Edit: And here is another review comparing a pair of GTX 670s Vs a GTX 690.


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I did consider 670's SLI, think the only reason I went with a 690 is longevity, that thing is built like a beast and thought it would out last the 670's. I don't plan on on doing anything to this system (fingers crossed) hopefully for at least 5 years.


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Originally Posted by Slazenger View Post
Hi all recently came into a bit of money and decided to invest in a new system.
Below is a custom build I have come up with.

CPU: NEW! Intel Core i7 3930K @ 4.5Ghz
CPU Cooler: NEW! Corsair H100 Water Cooler
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
Motherboard: NEW! Asus Rampage IV Extreme
RAM: NEW! 32GB Corsair 2133mhz Vengeance (8x4GB)
Hard Drive: NEW! Corsair 240GB Force3 SSD S-ATAIII 6.0Gb/s
Additional Storage: NEW! 2TB S-ATAIII 6.0Gb/s
Optical Drive: 22x DVD±RW DL S-ATA
2nd optical drive: 10x Blu-Ray RW S-ATA
Graphics card: NEW! NVIDIA GeForce GTX 690 4GB
Sound card: NEW! Creative Recon3D PCI-E
Monitors: NEW! BenQ XL2410T 23.6" LED 3D
Case: NEW! Coolermaster Cosmos II
PSU: NEW! 1050W Corsair HX Modular
As Father said. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*GASP*WHEEZE*AAAAAAYYYYYY overkill for CoH.

Just so you know. At least in CoH, you're NOT going to get maximum performance out of the 690. This game, while they've tried to make it work with SLI, simply isn't parallelized enough to really see a benefit.

IIRC, tossing the SLI flags at it nowadays achieves nothing at all.

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A few questions I have.

With regard to Ram what are the pro's and cons of having 8x4gb instead of 4x8gb, is it just room?
No, it's an price and overclocking thing too.

Price-wise, larger (denser) memory is going to be much more expensive. Enough-so that doubling the amount of memory on a DIMM will more than double the price.

Also, the overclocking thing.

Basically, the memory subsystem on a motherboard has a certain power envelope it has to work within. The more devices (sticks of RAM) you put into that system, the more power is being drawn. And there's an upper limit.

Also, there's a timing issue as you use more sticks. They have to all sync properly to the memory clock or you wind up with data corruption and the board is usually set to down-clock your RAM to a lower frequency if that happens to try and preserve that sync.

The more devices you put on, the harder the memory controller has to work to keep in sync.

With the possibility of the board downclocking you for stability reasons, you'll usually see better memory subsystem performance out of 4 larger DIMMs than 8 equivalently clocked smaller DIMMs.

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With regards to RAID 0 I have heard some pretty nasty tales of very bad consequences if things fail, just wondering if any have good experiences with them?
Okay RAID: Redundant Array of Inexpensive (or Independent) Disks.

RAID 0 isn't, technically "Redundant". It's striping data across multiple drives to take advantage of a high bandwidth controller's ability to parallelize transfer across multiple lower-bandwidth storage devices.

The main problem is, if you lose even a single device out of the array, the entire array is toast. And it doesn't mean that the device "dies" or anything. Something as simple as a timing issue between the devices and the controller can be enough to crash an array.

Now.

1: I have had a RAID-0 array of SSDs in my system for approximately 2 years now. I haven't had any issues.

2: My experience is anecdotal.

3: My array is SOLELY used for OS, apps and games. I don't do any real data storage on it. That goes to real hard drives. More space, cheaper, and I don't have to worry about

That being said, your solo 240GB SSD as GOBS of throughput and is roughly on par with my older generation RAID-setup.


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With regards to Windows 7 Prof, does it have a RAM limit?, I know Home edition did.
Yes. Win7 Home caps at 16GB of RAM.
Go with either Win7 Pro or Win7 Ultimate. They cap at 192GB of RAM. You won't be chucking that much into that system. Ever.

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Thanks very much, with Ram I thought this was the case but wanted to be sure, and will be going for Win 7 Pro for sure, had a look into Windows 8 and really didn't like the look or layout of it (bit to console/tablet for my liking, i'm, oldskool at heart).
Win7 is, IMNSHO, a better interface for people who've grown used to the Windows UI paradigm over the years. Win8 is just a fantastic mess of an interface. The underlying OS is fine, but (being blunt here) I wouldn't wipe my *** with the spec documents for that UI. It's Windows for Idiots by Idiots.

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Now I just have to wait until my local electric shop can get 690 graphics card, they are pretty hard to get hold of apparently.
Honestly, I think you'd probably be happier with a 680. But that's just me.

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I did consider 670's SLI, think the only reason I went with a 690 is longevity, that thing is built like a beast and thought it would out last the 670's. I don't plan on on doing anything to this system (fingers crossed) hopefully for at least 5 years.
The 690 essentially *IS* a pair of 670's. The cores are down-clocked 680 cores and framerates in SLI-enabled games are virtually identical between a 690 and a 670 SLI setup.

Price comparison (Newegg):
2x 670 2GB: $800
2x 670 4GB (Galaxy): $820
2x 680 2GB: $1000
1x 690: $1000+

Max framerate of a 690 can be up to about 10% higher than an SLI 670 setup.
HOWEVER, that's utterly pointless.

Minimum framerate is 4% or less in most cases.
Average framerate is ALSO 4% or less in most cases.

Anything under 10% is within margin of error and, most of the time, TOTALLY unnoticeable.

Also, some people claim that the single-card SLI (like the 690) eliminates microstutter that dual-card SLI introduces into games.

BZZT! Thanks for playing!

However, the new 300-series drivers DO have some tech in there for alleviating microstutter by capping maximum framerate so that huge falloffs in framerate as a result of the two cores desyncing don't happen as often.

Hopefully this helps you.



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Monitors: NEW! BenQ XL2410T 23.6" LED 3D

That is just a TN display and fairly low end compared to the rest of your rig. Try this for a monitor, a Dell 30" IPS display. http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/p...ynote_irrank=0

Now you can play the game on a 30" 2560x1600 IPS display and not on a 24" TN 1920x1080 display.


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Thanks very much Hyperstrike for your input, will take a lot of that into consideration.


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Monitors: NEW! BenQ XL2410T 23.6" LED 3D

That is just a TN display and fairly low end compared to the rest of your rig. Try this for a monitor, a Dell 30" IPS display. http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/p...ynote_irrank=0

Now you can play the game on a 30" 2560x1600 IPS display and not on a 24" TN 1920x1080 display.
The only reason I went with that monitor was because it was the only one that had 120hz (which is suppose to be the new big thing with regards to monitors).

Apparently 120hz minimises flicker, frame lag etc. most of which isn't actually visible to the naked eye but still nice to have .


Too many 50's to list here's a few you may know.
Slazenger, Area51, Area53, Area54, Erruption, Mind Plague, Thresher, Sheath, Broadside, Debt

 

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Hence why I have sloped off to Virtue for a bit .


Too many 50's to list here's a few you may know.
Slazenger, Area51, Area53, Area54, Erruption, Mind Plague, Thresher, Sheath, Broadside, Debt

 

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The only reason I went with that monitor was because it was the only one that had 120hz (which is suppose to be the new big thing with regards to monitors).

Apparently 120hz minimises flicker, frame lag etc. most of which isn't actually visible to the naked eye but still nice to have .
120Hz minimizes frame lag if the monitor's controller is up to the task (a cheap or overly-fancy display controller can introduce several frames of lag), but TN panels have annoying color shifts if viewed off-axis, and many of them get their speed by reducing the number of distinct colors they can display. Flicker is only a problem for CRT monitors; LCDs don't flicker at any refresh rate.

The main tradeoff with LCDs is speed vs. color quality: TN panels are fast, while IPS panels are almost as good as CRTs for color.