The point of getting VIP?

If i still have to buy power set and things like that i might as well cut out the middle man and buy the points

If that is advantageous to you, yes, you might as well do that. That's what the option to go premium is for.

However, you should sit down and calculate just how much the VIP features you'd want to purchase would cost. There are more than you might think. For example, here's my breakdown:

I'm a tier 9 VIP. I would retain access to the market, IOs, large inspirations, etc. For the sake of argument, I'll also pretend that I don't care at all about any of the VIP-only features, and just compare the stuff points can buy. I also bought Going Rogue back when it came out, so I have that content and those power sets already.

If I dropped to Premium, I'd lose 10 (? not sure if this is the correct number, but it's around there) character slots on Freedom, which is the only server I play on. If you play on multiple servers, you'd lose this many slots on each. Even buying 5 at a time, slots are 320 points each. So I'd need 3200 points to get those back.

I'd have to re-purchase the Time Manipulation powerset to use one of my most active characters. Possibly also Dark Control if I ever get back around to that Dominator, but I'll assume not. 800 points.

I'd want at least one SSA arc, to get hero merits. 400 points.

I'd need the Imperial Defense costume pack, since I make extensive use of it. 400 points.

I'd have to buy the Widow AT to retain another of my most active characters, unless I happen to be one of the people that benefits from the unlock bug for VEATs. 1000 points.

So I'd have to drop 5800 points as a Premium just to not have a dramatically reduced ability to play. Buying powersets would be extra on top of that. And I would soon lose the use of my solo SG base, I wouldn't be able to do Incarnate anything, I would have only a single SSA to play, I'd have a smaller recipe and salvage inventory, I wouldn't be able to obtain upcoming VIP t9 costume sets, and so on.

If all the other things that come with VIP aren't worthwhile to you, sure, don't pay for VIP. But the VIP subscription does include a lot more than just powersets.

conceivably i played for 5 years before i quit at 15 d0llars a month that time comes up to about 900 and some change plus the amout for buying coh and cov new

if i had stayed an additional 5 years after today the money i would spend would equal 86400 points

not to mention that COH at largely is playable i find no incentive to buy any points when im allready investing this much money why not make that stuff free then people will subscribe like they did before.

Truth is they want to people to spen more than 15 dollars a month...

900 dollars is alot of money to spend just to be renting time on a server

its a thought that is in the back of my head when im tempted to buy those points

lets think about it another wayi played off and on up untill mid incarnate rollout pretty much i have seen all of the free content and i must buy new content with those points if i were to marathaon play like i used to i would spend 3 times a much if not higher to keep getting content and new powers

logically speaking there would be no point in subscribing after the first month for anyone who used to play this game.


maybey its a good thing I saved $850 and i didnt have to wait 5 years to do it

Ah, the "why aren't all powersets free for VIPs" fallacy.

Remember, all powersets WERE free for VIPs for years. How often did we get new ones? Not very often at all.

Now that some powersets are not included with the subscription, how often do we get new ones? Since Freedom, which is almost a year now, we've gotten Beam Rifle, Time Manipulation, Street Justice, Titan Weapons, Dark Control, Staff Fighting, Water Blast, and Beast Mastery (I'm not counting Dark Affinity and Dark Assault because they're closer to proliferations). That's seven powersets in under a year, which is WAY more than we got under the old "everything is free for everyone" model, and by the way two of those seven sets ARE free to VIPs, leaving five you have to pay for, which is 10 months of stipend (less, for a t9). In other words, as a VIP, you can already have every powerset that has been released for no more than the cost of your subscription. If you haven't gotten the powersets, it's because you're spending your stipend on other things instead, which you presumably want even more than the powersets.
Oh, and there are four more sets coming down the pipe, one of which is reaching live in a few hours, and two of which are also free to VIPs.

"Make all these powersets, and give them to all VIPs automatically" has never even been on the table, here. It isn't an option. The options are "Get a whole lot of powersets, but possibly have to pay for some of them" (the current model), or "Get powersets rarely, but all included with the subscription cost" (the old model). Personally, I far prefer the current model.

Also, comparing what you'd spend on points over the course of five years versus VIP is a little silly, because if you like the game enough to stick around for five years straight, you probably like it enough for the VIP-only stuff to be desirable.

I prefer the model where we constantly get a stream of new costumes, powersets, and other fun things to the model where things stay mostly the same with incremental changes a couple of times a year.

I do end up spending more to get a lot of those things, but that's better than not having the option at all.

I don't see what's wrong with the current model. We get more releases than we used to, and now you get to pick which ones of them you want. As a subscriber, your points are still enough to buy you more things than what your subscription got you before. And I emphasize: you only get to pick things you actually want. No more of that "two powersets a year, neither of which interest you", but rather seven powersets a year of which you can pick those that you want.

Honestly I think it is just stupid to claim VIPs should get everything for free. You are spending the same money as you did before, why should you get anything more for it?

Yeah the old model sucked. Everyone in my SG would basically wait for the next Issue and it when it would come out most of us were disappointed. Now I can hardley keep up with the content and the new powersets coming out more regularly. The game is much more fun than it used to be. The people making this game are doing all the right things in my opinion.

One slight detail that no one mentionned is that being a VIP gives you access to the Incarnate system and the post-level-50 content - which no amount of Paragon Points can unlock for you.

That's a HUGE added value for your 15 bucks a month. Heck, as far as many people are concerned, it justifies staying a VIP. Of course, that may not be your case, but considering how much work the devs also do on that part of the game, I think we're definitely getting our money worth.

Also,

Why is this thread in the "Player Guides" section instead of the PLAYER QUESTIONS section?

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