New Melee Epic Pool: Telekinetic Mastery

What I'd love to see is Melee's beable to look like they have a bit of TK goodness!

So, what I'm proposing...

1) Levitate (Just like the KU attack of the same name)

2) Telekinetic Blast (It doesnt have to be equal to the tier 3 blast, but it's TK Mastery, not Psychic Mastery)

3) Telekinetic Bondage (A single target hold...couldn't think of a better name...something akin to Gravity Distortion)

4) TK Shield (Ally Buff 4% Defense/6% Resist...looks like the Force Field Bubbles)

5) TK Armor (Toggle: 3% Defense/5% Resist...looks like Personal Force Field, only you can attack with it. I know, some are thinking "Give Melee More survival?!" Well then lower the numbers if those are to high! 2.25% Defense/4.24% Resist works!)

The idea isn't for something OMG powerful. The idea is to have a set that feels like the comic book TK users!

They shield themselves (one could argue the defense set could cover that...so replace it with Personal Force Field, not much different than Hibernate), they shield allies. They try to lock down enemies and they send blasts of TK energy!

So all these powers could be kept in line with the other ST blasts/holds with little worry.

It's just be nice to have this option I think

I dunno, if I had telekinesis I wouldn't bother getting close to people to punch them.

3%def, 5 res? You did say it was not meant to be powerful..but even Body Armour has better numbers than this! AT most it would be a slot mule for res and def uniques..

Oh!! Helps if I read..you are saying as a MELEE epic! Duh.

Well, that makes much more sense! Also..a reliable mitigation tool (Levitate) would be great for some melee sets and combos, without having to die into teh fly pool for air supp.

I like it..I always wanted melees to be able to get an epic armour, to shore up weaknesses (even if it could be OP).

PS..I hope you saw my power set ideas for Tk Melee and Tk Armour!

Seems like you may be unfamiliar with how Epics work for Scrappers, Stalkers, Brutes and Tanks.

• They don't get ally buffs
• They don't get more powers that add to their armor set
• They do get ranged attacks.
• They do get stuff they don't have, like the hold you mentioned.

Just cause they dont get that stuff now..doesnt mean they cant or will never get it.

Look at the dom epics..they never had an ally buff right? Yet they got Mind Link (its crap but still).
What about blasters (and scraps, and brutes and tanks) who never had a source of -def and res in the epics..then got Melt Armour?

Oh AND. To disprove your 2nd point 37..they get Shadow Meld. That makes a pretty clear case as a power that ADDS to their defences.

It is a suggestion..it does not have to be 100% possible, right now.

Maybe if it was further tweaked to be def and res to something uncommon. Ie, besides wp, dark and elec, its VERY hard to get psi def or resist in melee sets (maybe you can get it a bit better with i24 set bonsues, dont know) so perhaps make it Psi def and resit, in keeping with the tk/mental theme.
Perhaps add some debuff resist, of a small value, in too..like..10% def resist.

Contrary to what 37 said, melee do get a few powers that improve their mitigation or survival line. The most obvious is Shadow Meld in Soul Mastery, but Physical Perfection, Hibernate, and Darkest Night all also qualify (I may have forgotten some). I think he'd probably hedge on Darkest Night, anyway.

While I can't think of any direct ally buffs, I think the reason for this is more because the global 'design document' balance modifiers for melee's affect-other powers (except Tankers) are awful. But I don't see a truly *objective* reason for them not to get these powers (they'd just be bad).

That being said, I don't particularly like the pool.

I'd prefer a "Psionic," rather than necessarily "Telekinetic" pool with something like Levitate, Dominate, World of Confusion, Link Minds, and Psionic Tornado. I don't think many people would take Link Minds, because it would probably be similar to the Dominator version in terms of numbers. But I wouldn't mind the option of it existing. (Edit : And World of Confusion is iffy, since it would probably go into a Psychic Armor set if one were ever made. A PBAoE "Carrie" tk storm would be an okay replacement.)

Couple of things,

First Stalker Epic designs were originally different from Scrapper Epic designs as the two AT's actually do have some different needs by the time EPics become available.

Second Patron Pools were designed to be different from Ancillary Pools. They follow different design paths and citing Patron Pool Powers as an example of how Ancillary Pools can follow a different design path is disingenuous.


As for the pool itself I agree with Jack that a Psionic themed pool would be better.

This isn't specifically a Scrapper epic. At least one of the powers I mentioned is not in a PPP, regardless of whether or not APPs and PPPs can or can't be similar; and I find the statement "citing Patron Pool Powers as an example of how Ancillary Pools can follow a different design path is disingenuous" to be itself disingenuous, as (among other things) the existence of any 'type' of power in a class's APPs *or* PPPs invalidates the argument that that type of power is mechanically inaccessible to the class.

The problem with Psionic Mastery instead of Telekinetic is it basically does what Mind Control does...

To be effective you're basically TKer and Telepathy.

Not all psi's are telepaths, not all psi's are TKers, and I thought it'd be nice to have a epic that slanted towards one side.

Telepathy Epic Pool wouldn't be bad and it would give a different feel to the character and likely different choices.

Dominate
Subdue
World of Confusion
Link Minds
Psychic Scream

Much more Telepathic in theme.

I would personally love to see a psychic epic for melee ATs, something like...

Subdual
Dominate
Levitate/Mental Blast
Drain Psyche*/Psychic Scream
Psionic Tornado

Levitate over Mental Blast just because telekinesis is awesome and, IMO, much cooler than "mind bullets", which you can also get via Psionic Tornado (or Psychic Scream).

*Drain Psyche is the best fit for the AoE debuff powers seen in Arctic, Earth, Pyre, etc. Mastery as no other psychic themed debuff exists, but personally, I just like the concept of Drain Psyche. Obviously it would have to be toned way down, but for anyone who thinks it would be too OP regardless of how weakened it could be, I think Psychic Scream is a decent enough viable alternative for this slot.