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on my Shield Defense scrapper lately. It's defense debuff resistance used to be 73%ish (double stacked active defense and shield agility) but when I was glancing at my live numbers I noticed it was down to 58%. Going over everything I saw that active defense was giving a lot less than what my mids was showing. I had membrane exposures slotted in for extra recharge and the defense portion would increase the defense debuff res portion. The only thing I can imagine is when they altered the hami-os that some reason it stopped buffing this portion. Can anyone confirm this?


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Yeah they did. Apparently it was to 'fix' stats the Hamis were boosting..that they werent meant to. It did annoy quite a lot of Shielders, WS's too.


 

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Yes, the Hami-Os had been boosting things that the shouldn't have been for a LONG time, but the Devs had said that it was an exploit, and it would likely be fixed when the were able to find a way to do so.

They just finally found the method/time to get that done.

So, your suspicions were spot on.

As a side note, Cytos and Enzymes used to also boost the reverse as well, ie, the def debuff hami would also buff Def powers and vice-versa. That was also part of the same fix.

Edit: Actually, all hami-os used to boost the reverse effect, not just cyto/enzymes. But those 2 were the ones most often leveraged to get some extra defense out of a lot of builds. Shielders and Warshades weren't the only folks dismayed when that change went into effect.

Also, as a different side note, if you don't have it, I'm pretty sure Grant Cover will add some DDR, if you don't have that, and can squeeze it into your build. You didn't specifically mention it, but if you're at 58% DDR, you probably already have it if I recall correctly.


 

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Originally Posted by Madadh View Post
Yes, the Hami-Os had been boosting things that the shouldn't have been for a LONG time, but the Devs had said that it was an exploit, and it would likely be fixed when the were able to find a way to do so.

They just finally found the method/time to get that done.

So, your suspicions were spot on.

As a side note, Cytos and Enzymes used to also boost the reverse as well, ie, the def debuff hami would also buff Def powers and vice-versa. That was also part of the same fix.

Edit: Actually, all hami-os used to boost the reverse effect, not just cyto/enzymes. But those 2 were the ones most often leveraged to get some extra defense out of a lot of builds. Shielders and Warshades weren't the only folks dismayed when that change went into effect.

Also, as a different side note, if you don't have it, I'm pretty sure Grant Cover will add some DDR, if you don't have that, and can squeeze it into your build. You didn't specifically mention it, but if you're at 58% DDR, you probably already have it if I recall correctly.
Actually to my understanding that wasn't the exploit, the exploit was that Hami-Os that were supposed to be doing debuff would also effect buff powers. Oh well, I've already worked grant cover into my new build once ATO2 comes out.


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Actually to my understanding that wasn't the exploit, the exploit was that Hami-Os that were supposed to be doing debuff would also effect buff powers. Oh well, I've already worked grant cover into my new build once ATO2 comes out.
The exploit was that hami-os were affecting things they shouldn't have... Which includes all of the above, and other stuff that hasn't been specifically mentioned.


Edit: Somehow I type 'should' instead of 'shouldn't' originally. Corrected.


 

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The exploit was that hami-os were affecting things they should have... Which includes all of the above, and other stuff that hasn't been specifically mentioned.
And it apparently didn't just affect Hamis, because Musculature used to enhance slow powers and now it does not.


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You still can get in the 70s as far as DDR is concerned just by picking up grant cover, which I see a lot of shielders skip. I quite happen to like the power since it adds around 10% def for team mates, a kind of thank you for being my phalanx fodder. Not to mention that is also gives you recharge resistance which comes in handy to combat arachnos -def and -recharge debuffs

Do keep in mind to hit 70s with GC you still have to double stack active defense but that's not too hard to do.

On a side note: Anyone else keep hearing others say "Scrappers can't tank." a lot? It's not that they're saying it about or to me it's just surprising to hear it. I know mine still does just fine esecially when I had a troller ask me to tank the last Solaris mission, which I handled just fine. They were even surprised to see how well I did and complemented me on my build( even though I'm not done yet)


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You still can get in the 70s as far as DDR is concerned just by picking up grant cover, which I see a lot of shielders skip. I quite happen to like the power since it adds around 10% def for team mates, a kind of thank you for being my phalanx fodder. Not to mention that is also gives you recharge resistance which comes in handy to combat arachnos -def and -recharge debuffs

Do keep in mind to hit 70s with GC you still have to double stack active defense but that's not too hard to do.

On a side note: Anyone else keep hearing others say "Scrappers can't tank." a lot? It's not that they're saying it about or to me it's just surprising to hear it. I know mine still does just fine esecially when I had a troller ask me to tank the last Solaris mission, which I handled just fine. They were even surprised to see how well I did and complemented me on my build( even though I'm not done yet)
Yeah, I've already worked it into my build as for the scrappers not tanking I've tanked everything in the game there is on my Dark/Shield scrapper. Still waitin' for the next new big challenge.


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You still can get in the 70s as far as DDR is concerned just by picking up grant cover, which I see a lot of shielders skip. I quite happen to like the power since it adds around 10% def for team mates, a kind of thank you for being my phalanx fodder. Not to mention that is also gives you recharge resistance which comes in handy to combat arachnos -def and -recharge debuffs

Do keep in mind to hit 70s with GC you still have to double stack active defense but that's not too hard to do.

On a side note: Anyone else keep hearing others say "Scrappers can't tank." a lot? It's not that they're saying it about or to me it's just surprising to hear it. I know mine still does just fine esecially when I had a troller ask me to tank the last Solaris mission, which I handled just fine. They were even surprised to see how well I did and complemented me on my build( even though I'm not done yet)
I think you'll find that to hit 70s DDR you'll need to triple stack Active Defense.
Mid's and City of Data both show Grant Cover and Battle Agility at 13.84% DDR each. And Active Defense at 17.3%. That adds up to ~58% with Active Def double stacked. 75ish if you can triple up on Active Def.


As for scrappers not being able to tank, I haven't heard that unless it's in relation to the specific sets that don't have any aura (regen and SR come to mind).


 

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Anyone else keep hearing others say "Scrappers can't tank." a lot? It's not that they're saying it about or to me it's just surprising to hear it.
The few people I socialize with in game know how survivable a Scrapper can be. But my main doesn't tank - no aggro aura. If he had that, he could probably tank. So now he's a level 33 Brute.


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I think you'll find that to hit 70s DDR you'll need to triple stack Active Defense.
Mid's and City of Data both show Grant Cover and Battle Agility at 13.84% DDR each. And Active Defense at 17.3%. That adds up to ~58% with Active Def double stacked. 75ish if you can triple up on Active Def.
Strange because I'm getting 22.16% out of my battle agility. I'll post my build if I can get Sentinel working right again.

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Note : this toon is from back when I started to experiment with IOs. So I still have more work to do, such as move slots off of others to hasten, potently drop parry, etc.
I was going to post a screenshot but apprently I can't so you just have to take my word for it.


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Skyway Defender: Level 50 Natural Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Broad Sword
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Hack -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(3), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Mako-Dam%(7)
Level 1: Deflection -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(7), LkGmblr-EndRdx/Rchg(9), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(9), LkGmblr-Def(11), LkGmblr-Rchg+(11)
Level 2: Battle Agility -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(13), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(13), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(15), RedFtn-Def(15), RedFtn-EndRdx(17)
Level 4: True Grit -- Heal-I(A), Heal-I(17), Heal-I(19), ResDam(19), ResDam(21)
Level 6: Slice -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(21), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(23), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(23), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(25), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(25)
Level 8: Build Up -- RechRdx(A), RechRdx(27), RechRdx(27)
Level 10: Active Defense -- RechRdx(A), RechRdx(29), RechRdx(29)
Level 12: Parry -- SScrappersS-Rchg/+Crit(A), LkGmblr-Rchg+(31), Acc(31)
Level 14: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 16: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 18: Weave -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(31), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(33), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(33), RedFtn-Def(33), RedFtn-EndRdx(34)
Level 20: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(34), EndRdx-I(34)
Level 22: Phalanx Fighting -- DefBuff(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(36), LkGmblr-Rchg+(36)
Level 24: Whirling Sword -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(36), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), Oblit-%Dam(39)
Level 26: Disembowel -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(39), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(39), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(40), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 28: Grant Cover -- LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(42), LkGmblr-Rchg+(42)
Level 30: Hasten -- RechRdx(A)
Level 32: Head Splitter -- Dmg(A), Dmg(42), Dmg(43), EndRdx(43), Acc(43), Acc(45)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- Dmg(A), Dmg(45), Dmg(45), RechRdx(46), RechRdx(46), Acc(46)
Level 38: One with the Shield -- EndMod-I(A), ResDam(48), GA-3defTpProc(48)
Level 41: Conserve Power -- RechRdx(A)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- EndMod-I(A)
Level 47: Super Speed -- Clrty-Stlth(A)
Level 49: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Run(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Heal-I(A), Heal-I(48), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(50)
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Battle Agility's DDR is enhanceable. So you're looking at more like 53% with one AD, and 70% with two.


 

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Note for the record that any DDR over 50% (and you're at 58% currently) means you have the third-best DDR available in the game, after Super Reflexes and Stone Armor. And 73% beats Stone Armor, moving you into second place. So you're still sitting pretty. Invulnerability gets a mere 50% DDR and can be pretty hardy against debuffs if one invests in a bit of a cushion (although it does get additional defense from enemies in range of Invincibility).


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Battle Agility's DDR is enhanceable. So you're looking at more like 53% with one AD, and 70% with two.
Yep, Issy's something like 71% with Active Defense double-stacked. With Ageless Radial she should have at least 92% as long as I remember to juggle it.


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