Super Group Regisitry Restrictions Lifted
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Cardiff_Giant,
Posted on: 2012-06-19 04:44 in Suggestions and Ideas
No. It shouldn't.
Forming a Super Group is a VIP only perk and is considered an incentive to subscribe.
Free and Premium players get quite a bit as it is for free. If they opened up everything that various people want opened up for free to all there would be no point in having a subscription.
This game will always be a subscription based game at the root with the addition of some a la carte purchasable items and a somewhat limited free to play aspect.
EDITED to clarify: My response is based on the current setup where creating an SG, setting up a base and paying base rent are tied to the SG Registrar. If they want to open up being able to see the Top 100 list or move it to something like the Information kiosks (doubtful since they don't seem to want to do anything else with them), I'd not have a problem with doing that. And as Cardiff_Giant also states, I read that as the SG Registrar, not the SG Registry when the OP said "had nothing to say as a free player". Since of course, you can only access the Registry through the Registrar I thought the OP mistyped it.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
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Uhm Texas, please go back and reread what the OP is asking for. He didn't ask for the ability to form an SG or pay rent. He is asking for access to the SG Registry. That's the list of the top 100 SG's on a given server.|
Originally Posted by Texas Justice
No. It shouldn't.
Forming a Super Group is a VIP only perk and is considered an incentive to subscribe. Free and Premium players get quite a bit as it is for free. If they opened up everything that various people want opened up for free to all there would be no point in having a subscription. This game will always be a subscription based game at the root with the addition of some a la carte purchasable items and a somewhat limited free to play aspect. |
And as of Issue 23 which allows Free accounts to join SG's, access to that list is a useful tool for Free players looking for an active SG to join. Unfortunately for some technical reason access to the Registry is blocked because it can only be accessed at the Registrar. Sure before I23 access didn't matter because Free accounts couldn't join SG's anyway, but that is no longer the case.
Maybe the devs could move the Registry access to the information kiosks that are around the city.
/Signed to giving everyone that is allowed to join an SG the ability to look at the top 100 SG's in the SG Registry.
IIRC - Really you only needed to spend $5 to get SG Access before Issue 23,
and as it stands now:
"Free/Premium players can join supergroups regardless of Paragon Rewards tier."
Note: "The Paragon Rewards Program launched with the ability to join supergroups requiring Tier 2, but Issue 23 removed the restriction. A VIP subscription is still required to create supergroups and all other activities that require access to the Super Group Registrar."
At one or two times - You could get a 1 month VIP account for either $.99 or $1.99 ? (Hhmm... Sorry, I can't recall clearly at the moment its too "late" for my schedule.)
I got like 7 off these to have alternate accounts to invite my alts = 1 character for each Server/SG Base even when they go freebie I can pay the silly Rent with toons from my main account. My alt-aholism & RL-stuff hasn't given me the opportunity to do all the stuff I've planned to do - "properly" just yet...
Heck, this week I've been logging on Alts that were 'last logged in' 80, 200, 250 days ago, one pseudo-placeholder on a server I've never gotten around to filling up (yet) was last played 504 days ago - *sigh*
Sadly I'm thinking of resorting to a spreadsheet-schedule = to at least login alts for DayJobs & "flopping" cheap salvage, inspirations, etc. - for progress on WW Badges - maybe craft some Common IO's or the occasional really low turnover rate "niche" Set IO...
Then, run a lowbie arc mission with Defeat (or some other) Badges in mind, Like = Veluta Lunata's, and/or auto-complete a P.I.T.A. lowbie mission ("Save the 3 workers from the PTS" for Marshal Brass, maybe run a Newspaper or 2 and a Mayhem Mission (I -inexplicably- love them) that sorta thing. 
If you've got the time and a plan I bet you could make something work - or find a VIP friend to pay your SG rent every 6 weeks = BUT, I'd suggest the 12 month Subscription it's about as cheap as it gets for an Online Subscription-based game.
Don't let "Freedom" fool you - it's a "hybrid model" game now -> a Sub + micro-transactions, and it's (mostly) been getting better aka more Powersets and whatnot than we ever got before.
Granted, there is some of the "bloodsucking" stuff in the store ala 'Korean-Style MMO' - "Buffs" they'll let you buy, buy, buy = if you're Independently Wealthy... that's great - they seem to be working on balancing it out = in a good faith manner,
I suspect most people that can afford the - roughly $12 a month (depending on whether you have to pay sales tax where you live or not?) via the 12 month sub is the best deal. And it gets you damn near everything with the least hassle. And, access to some stuff they're simply not going to let people have without a "VIP" Subscription.
And Yeah, they're putting out just enough stuff that you'll almost certainly wind-up wanting/"needing" to spend some $ on some extra Paragon Points to get the majority of what you'll likely want = they're Evil that way... 
They know impatient gamers are (quite likely) gonna make them some serious bank. BUT, they have a way to let you (or the card holder) set a specified $ spending limit to keep you from breaking your bank in the process of enriching theirs.
(Edit) P.S. I read that as the SG Registrar (guy) - not the SG Registry (list)... IDK, could be either I suppose?
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That's why I offered the alternative of moving that list to a kiosk. Far too many people dismissively tell people looking for a list of SG's to go to the registrar never considering that Free players can't even look at the list.|
Originally Posted by Cardiff_Giant
IIRC - Really you only needed to spend $5 to get SG Access before Issue 23,
and as it stands now: "Free/Premium players can join supergroups regardless of Paragon Rewards tier." Note: "The Paragon Rewards Program launched with the ability to join supergroups requiring Tier 2, but Issue 23 removed the restriction. A VIP subscription is still required to create supergroups and all other activities that require access to the Super Group Registrar." |
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| At one or two times - You could get a 1 month VIP account for either $.99 or $1.99 ? (Hhmm... Sorry, I can't recall clearly at the moment its too "late" for my schedule.) |
But again the OP isn't talking about creating an SG or paying rent. He just wants to look at the list of the SG's on his server so he and others can find an SG to join.
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Thank you. This is exactly what I was looking for in my post. (Funniest thing is that I believe it was Texas Justice that suggested I post this suggestion in this thread.)
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Uhm Texas, please go back and reread what the OP is asking for. He didn't ask for the ability to form an SG or pay rent. He is asking for access to the SG Registry. That's the list of the top 100 SG's on a given server.
And as of Issue 23 which allows Free accounts to join SG's, access to that list is a useful tool for Free players looking for an active SG to join. Unfortunately for some technical reason access to the Registry is blocked because it can only be accessed at the Registrar. Sure before I23 access didn't matter because Free accounts couldn't join SG's anyway, but that is no longer the case. Maybe the devs could move the Registry access to the information kiosks that are around the city. /Signed to giving everyone that is allowed to join an SG the ability to look at the top 100 SG's in the SG Registry. |
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This is exactly what brought up this topic. I was told to check the list by several players who had no idea that free players couldn't do so. This occurred both in game, and on the forums.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
That's why I offered the alternative of moving that list to a kiosk. Far too many people dismissively tell people looking for a list of SG's to go to the registrar never considering that Free players can't even look at the list.
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Nope. It was Forbin_Project that made that suggestion to you.|
Originally Posted by Shockwave007
Thank you. This is exactly what I was looking for in my post. (Funniest thing is that I believe it was Texas Justice that suggested I post this suggestion in this thread.)
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I'm the one that started a thread in the Justice server forum section to see if there were any active RP SG's on Justice.
I also gave you the two busiest Justice server channel names in case you had access to Global Channels.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
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That's right. I knew you had been very helpful on that topic in some way.
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
Nope. It was Forbin_Project that made that suggestion to you.
I'm the one that started a thread in the Justice server forum section to see if there were any active RP SG's on Justice. I also gave you the two busiest Justice server channel names in case you had access to Global Channels. |
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This....would solve many problems for new players. As would a general revamp of the SG and Base systems.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
That's why I offered the alternative of moving that list to a kiosk. Far too many people dismissively tell people looking for a list of SG's to go to the registrar never considering that Free players can't even look at the list.
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I would still like to see Premium players to be able to pay base rent.
I know several people who dropped to Premium, even if only for a few months or what not. It is absurd that when someone made an SG years ago, just because he is Premium, that he/she is not able to pay rent, even when that person is the leader.
At least make it so that the Red Star/Leader is always able to pay the rent and lift any restrictions.
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Originally Posted by Dark Energon
I would still like to see Premium players to be able to pay base rent.
I know several people who dropped to Premium, even if only for a few months or what not. It is absurd that when someone made an SG years ago, just because he is Premium, that he/she is not able to pay rent, even when that person is the leader. At least make it so that the Red Star/Leader is always able to pay the rent and lift any restrictions. |
Makes perfect sense since we know exactly what the dev's have told us about how they want SG's and bases to be group oriented content despite the work arounds we use to turn them into solo SG content.
And let's not forget the real reason people want solo SG's is for the extra storage. Why would Prems buy extra storage from the market if they had unrestricted access to base storage. Bases offer up to 540 salvage storage, or 1800 enhancement storage, 1800 inpiration storage, or a lesser combination of all three.
We don't have to like it but they aren't going to let Free and or Prem players have access to extra storage without paying for it some way. And the price for that extra storage is either $15 bucks a month, or recruiting a VIP into the SG.
It's your choice. Spend money or god forbid become friend with a VIP.
I've only been playing for two weeks, so actually just found out that Supergroups were just opened up to free players in that span of time. However, something I noticed was that the supergroup registry in city hall had nothing to say as a free player. That should get opened up.