So why don't the Paragon Market items go live at midnight anymore?


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I am missing the poor performance part of this. What about changing the time from X to y is poor performance? What about this needed to be planned out other than, OK, we will put stuff up on the market at time X. Months pass. Time X doesn't work for the new guy, we are changing it to time y.

That is poor performance? How?
Especially considering they did announce it before we could panic.


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Even worse lol!

He of all people should have known that him staying up until midnight for the rest of forever wasn't a practical solution.
And thus it was changed.
Really, it's that simple for most people.
The world is not static. i'm sorry, but it's true. And by "not static" i mean the world can and will change in small ways depending on assorted decisions by different people. Honestly your complaints on the matter sound rather neurotically obsessive to me since i can't think of a single lucid reason to demand something that is not especially tied to any specific time always be done at the same time every week forever just because it was done at that time initially.


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Even worse lol!

He of all people should have known that him staying up until midnight for the rest of forever wasn't a practical solution.
Did you ever stop to consider that at that time there were other things being worked on that required people to work longer than their normal workday so as long as someone was going to be in the office anyway they chose to update the store interface early as an act of kindness to the players.


 

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He wasn't in the office. He did it from home.
I didn't think this would still be going, but this is my point.

When is it a good idea to plan something that affects the customer base of any company where a single member of staff has to be awake at midnight to do something from home?

Not only does it mean that staff member has to get overtime or work for free, but it leaves a single point of failure and was 100% guaranteed to have to change at some point. A good decision is one that doesn't require reversing because of such a forseeable reason. And people that can't make good decision shouldn't be making decisions that directly affect customers no matter how insignificant that effect may be.

I accept this is a very insignificant thing, but I have never said otherwise (And again I don't care when this is done since I don't use the market, I just felt like making a point which people for some reason disagreed with). But you people sound like the sun shines out of the dev's collective holes and this wasn't a mistake but part of a genius masterplan. I have serious issues with people who don't think it is worth pointing out faults, because if nobody mentions a poor decision then the people making the decisions will never learn (And pointing out an insignificant but poor decision is much better than waiting until this person makes a large mess of something).


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It's not a matter of it being sunshine...
It's a matter of it having zero significance to (I'll only speak for myself) me whatsoever.

The market refreshes 3AM Tuesday for me... The market refreshes some time in the afternoon on Tuesday.

It makes zero difference in my world.

The same people do not walk by my house at the same times at regular intervals. It doesn't bother me.

My dinner doesn't arrive at the same exact time every evening. It's okay. It's not a failing of a master plan.

Paragon Studios and NCSoft's grand master plan does not include maintaining an exact, specific and constant arrangement of when their market gets new things.
It's not a problem. It's not indicative of larger problems.
It's just a... change.
A simple, understandable, acceptable change.



HUGE difference between that mindset and "the sun shines out of the dev's collective holes and this wasn't a mistake but part of a genius masterplan".
Seriously, you occasionally sound reasonable and then you sound very... unreasonable. based on this, I suspect that you are likely human.


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Seriously, you occasionally sound reasonable and then you sound very... unreasonable. based on this, I suspect that you are likely human.
Lol that is me to a T

But I have absolutely no tolerance for people who get the little things like this wrong because it shows a lack of basic care.


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Lol that is me to a T

But I have absolutely no tolerance for people who get the little things like this wrong because it shows a lack of basic care.
Get what wrong?


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I didn't think this would still be going, but this is my point.

When is it a good idea to plan something that affects the customer base of any company where a single member of staff has to be awake at midnight to do something from home?

Not only does it mean that staff member has to get overtime or work for free, but it leaves a single point of failure and was 100% guaranteed to have to change at some point. A good decision is one that doesn't require reversing because of such a forseeable reason. And people that can't make good decision shouldn't be making decisions that directly affect customers no matter how insignificant that effect may be.

I accept this is a very insignificant thing, but I have never said otherwise (And again I don't care when this is done since I don't use the market, I just felt like making a point which people for some reason disagreed with). But you people sound like the sun shines out of the dev's collective holes and this wasn't a mistake but part of a genius masterplan. I have serious issues with people who don't think it is worth pointing out faults, because if nobody mentions a poor decision then the people making the decisions will never learn (And pointing out an insignificant but poor decision is much better than waiting until this person makes a large mess of something).
Except it was a matter of Ghost Falcon doing it one way, and Alpha Wolf doing it a different way. Are you seriously saying that when you go to a restaurant, things aren't a little different when Joe is the host vs. when Jane is the hostess? Seriously, different people do the same things differently. Ghost Falcon was up at midnight anyway, so he figured "hey, I'll do the Tuesday market updates from home", vs. Alpha Wolf (who may or may not be up at midnight for whatever reasons) who decided "I'll do it when I get to the office".


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Get what wrong?
Deviation from very arbitrary and highly idiosyncratic personal rules that are actually rules about things that allegedly don't bother PD personally, but somehow is getting very worked up about them on the behalf of other hypothetical people who are bothered by the exact same things that PD isn't actually bothered by except on their behalf.

Supposedly. Really i think PD is lying. The question being whether they're lying primarily to themselves or everyone else. i strongly suspect the former.


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Lol that is me to a T

But I have absolutely no tolerance for people who get the little things like this wrong because it shows a lack of basic care.
They didn't get anything wrong. It probably went something like this:

High Up Big Schmuck: "To save coding time and money, we'll have a warm body flip the switch. Market releases happen on Tuesday, someone needs to turn them on."
Ghost Falcon: "Well, I can flip the switch from home before bed, nbd."
...time passes...
Ghost Falcon: "I'm moving to this other project, so Alpha Wolf is going to take over."
Alpha Wolf: "I go to bed at 10pm, so can I flip the switch when I get in to the office?"
High Up Big Schmuck: "Don't care, as long as it happens on Tuesday."
Most of the playerbase: "Hurray, it still happens on Tuesday!"
PrincessDarkstar: "RAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH SOMEONE IS *WRONG* ON THE INTERNET!"


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They didn't get anything wrong. It probably went something like this:

High Up Big Schmuck: "To save coding time and money, we'll have a warm body flip the switch. Market releases happen on Tuesday, someone needs to turn them on."
Ghost Falcon: "Well, I can flip the switch from home before bed, nbd."
...time passes...
Ghost Falcon: "I'm moving to this other project, so Alpha Wolf is going to take over."
Alpha Wolf: "I go to bed at 10pm, so can I flip the switch when I get in to the office?"
High Up Big Schmuck: "Don't care, as long as it happens on Tuesday."
Most of the playerbase: "Hurray, it still happens on Tuesday!"
PrincessDarkstar: "RAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH SOMEONE IS *WRONG* ON THE INTERNET!"
Bingo.

Something which affect the customers should never get a 'don't care' no matter how small.

That is all I am saying. And no Schismatrix I am not lying (Or getting worked up, which I keep having to stress), but there are very few threads about things I really care about that people are replying to

In the restaurant analogy if one chef closes at 10 and the other at 11 that will annoy some people, so the owner should have had the sense not to employ 2 chefs with different schedules. If doesn't matter if the closing time is 10 or 11, but having it bounce around on the whim of whoever happens to turn up that day is not good business.

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Except it was a matter of Ghost Falcon doing it one way, and Alpha Wolf doing it a different way.
I totally get why it has changed, all I am saying is that the very idea of letting someone do it in their spare time was stupid in the first place. If a warm body was needed what were they on to decide to do it out of hours?

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PrincessDarkstar: "RAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH SOMEONE IS *WRONG* ON THE INTERNET!"
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Bingo.

Something which affect the customers should never get a 'don't care' no matter how small.
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I totally get why it has changed, all I am saying is that the very idea of letting someone do it in their spare time was stupid in the first place. If a warm body was needed what were they on to decide to do it out of hours?
The main idea when they picked Tuesday for the sales was to have the sales start in the morning, pretty much first thing when they were in the office.

While we had Ghost Falcon doing them, we got the bonus of them starting about 8 hours earlier.


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I really don't want to be negative again but I have to be
orly?


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Business decisions that start with 'lets do it at midnight' then stop when they realise nobody actually works at that time really make me sad. They could save face by automating it but didn't.

I don't mind when it is scheduled for, but changing the schedule for a reason which seems to boil down to 'lack of foresight' gets me annoyed.

I have quit jobs because bosses just don't look ahead (And ignore my usually correct predictions) and I hate seeing people making decisions when they don't show the most basic decision making skills. I know this is only a small thing, but if all the small things are done right then everything works properly.
<sigh>


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Yeah.... but you just had some vitriol to unload before admitting that?


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And thus it was changed.
Really, it's that simple for most people.
The world is not static. i'm sorry, but it's true.
WE FEAR CHANGE!!!!!


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That is all I am saying. And no Schismatrix I am not lying (Or getting worked up,
The number of posts you have made on this subject suggests otherwise....


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Even when automated, such updates in other companies still gave a human watcher to verify nothing went wrong.


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