Transformers Beast Wars...

That was a Favorite Ep of mine. It showed just how awesome Dinobot was.

"The question which once haunted my being has been answered. The future is not fixed, and my choices are my own... and yet, how ironic! For I now find, I have no choice at all! I am warrior... let the battle be joined."-Dinobot

I miss Dinobot. He and Rattrap made the show great for me.

THIS!

was watching all the storyline epsiodes this weekend ended up missing much of the conversation where our magifarm turned into a full run

I think loss of their decepticon/predicon "right" to rule and conquer is what megatron meant by them being slaves they were defeated and their ambitions curtailed afterall

"waspinator has headache in his whole body"
"why universe hate waspinator?"

I doubt Primal had any hand in X's creation. Primal wasn't even high enough on the food chain to know much about who Starscream was he didn't have, or claimed not to have any worthwhile information on who starscream is like behavioral, tactical profile type stuff in the episode where Starscream posses Waspinator.

All he knew is that X was an attempt to recreate Starscream's immortal spark

Agreed, Primal didn't know much about Starscream's behavior only that his spark was indestructible.

Still, Depthcharge had a serious attitude with Primal and I find it hard to believe it was solely due to the council having Primal dump Protoform X somewhere. Seems like there should be more, but it was also nice to once again have a character that wouldn't always go "Yes sir!" when Primal gave orders.

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There is a cutscene on the DVD that shows Primal ripping G1 Megatron's spark from Pred Megatron and sticking back into G1 Meg's inert chassis. G1 Meg's right eye glows ominously for a moment then he returns to stasis. Good thing too as I doubt any of them would last long against an awakened G1 Megatron

As to Protoform X, Primal states that it was the "dark secret of Axalon's journey". We then see in flashback as Primal is shaking his head sadly as X is caged and sealed in the stasis pod. "it was an attempt to recreate Starscream's mutant indestructible spark with a Maximal, but it was a mistake to even try." Primal stated how dangerous and ruthless Protoform X was and how he was ordered to find some place far and barren to dump him. Rhinox knew of X as he too recognized the stasis pod description from Cheetor "Primus help us all if that thing survived."

What's funny is that Beast Machines showed us that spark extraction and transfer to new bodies seemed commonplace on Cybertron. If they had simply rigged an extractor and a containment unit they could have simply yanked X's spark from his body and contained it for study and possible destruction rather then have Primal dump the experiment somewhere barren.

Protoform X had leveled Colony Omicron before it was captured and I believe Depthcharge had a large hand in it being captured. He was furious when the Council ordered Primal to banish X. But again comes the question; why Primal? I can understand them not wanting to execute X if that could be done as it goes against Maximal/Autobot code of conduct, but why Primal? Why was he chosen to banish X? It was never answered, which led some fan speculation that Primal may have helped create X and thus this was penance for Primal. Just a theory.

For the unaired episode regarding Rattrap and Dinobot:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rattrap...t_Wars_episode

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Ooooh, I'll have to look for that on the DVD. But still, in the actual show it doesn't show that...



Okay at least I wasn't off completely. And thanks for the link

The Megatron Spark removal scene was cut I think due to keeping the episode a certain time length. I would think they could have chosen another scene to delete instead as it was rather important to remove G1 Megatron's spark. The writers and editors though did state back then that Megatron's spark was indeed removed before they left Earth as history may well have altered if they hadn't done so.

Also note the stormy weather that seemed to be around the volcano where the Ark was after G1 Megatron's spark was yanked out by Pred Megatron. That weather wasn't due to Tigerhawk as he hadn't arrived yet, but could in fact be a precursor to a time storm. G1 Megatron's spark wasn't supposed to be inside Pred Megatron but as it was not harmed or destroyed then the timestorm was basically on "standby" mode.

Also Predacon Megatron was stupid in the episode where he claimed Megatron's spark. He has access to the Ark again and Primal is under his control once more....so why not destroy Optimus Prime now that none can interfere??

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Oh come on, he did that last time and it didn't work...besides,

MOAR POWER > winning, right?

Sure more power can be a good thing, but his plan for Optimus Prime didn't work due to the Maximals. They were all caged except for Black Arachnia, and Primal was under Megatron's remote control and he was the only one that could have contained Prime's spark again.

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I think it's more of a "why not Primal?"
-He's already on a military expedition, which helps make everything hush hush
-He has the kind of clearance required to know the kind of "need to know" information he knew, he followed orders, wasn't a troublemaking Mulder type who knew more than he "needed to know" as seen in S1 Posession(The Starscream episode)

True, Primal was a good soldier and slowly became a good leader in BW. Perhaps they simply chose him to dump X somewhere. The writers/editors didn't specify why and after all this time they probably don't remember if they ever had a reason for choosing Primal.

I had also hoped we'd get some more back story about the Great War and Cybertronian culture. All we know for sure is that:

1. The Autobots won, with the aid of the human race.

2. Black Arachnia stated that Shrapnel was a legendary Decepticon from the Great War three centuries ago. So we know that the characters in Beast Wars come from 300 years after the war ended.

3. Predacon Megatron views the Predacon race as a slave race to the Autobots/Maximals. This is an interesting viewpoint that wasn't explored. We see a glimpse of Predacons living in outposts in space in Cybertron's system but that doesn't mean they all lived in them and not on Cybertron.

4. Who survived the Great War? We know Ravage was rebuilt/reprogrammed to be a Predacon and we caught a glimpse of Soundwave during Nightscream's flashback in BM.

5. The Matrix of Leadership was emptied by Optimus to cure the hate plague, was it ever recharged?

6. Who is on the Maximal Council? Autobots? Just Maximals?

7. In Beast Machines, despite Primal's memory errors from Megatron's virus about the Beast Wars, he remembers Cybertron's past and its legends. He mentions the "Great Upgrade" when Cybertron was "mechaformed" to have a new surface and the war torn old surface was covered over, including the former capital city of Iacon. We see a hologram tribute to Optimus Prime there but we don't know Prime's fate. Whatever the hologram said was simply Megatron speaking through it. Also there was a statue of Prime holding a golden disc in each hand that was blasted by the tank drones. Did that statue mean that Prime survived the war? The Great Upgrade was also when apparently the Maximals and Predacons arose but what did that involve?

8. Unicron's head no longer orbits Cybertron and over the years we've had confirmation that Tarantulas is in fact a Unicron Spawn. This would mean that so are the Tripredacus Council since Tarantulas told the Vok that both he and Tripredacus do not originate from Autobot or Decepticon. So what happened to Unicron's head? Destroyed? Cast adrift? (that would be a bad idea). Also being a Unicron spawn would explain how Tarantulas survived repeated events where he took damage that should have caused his spark to terminate.

9. The Vok are a mystery unto themselves.

Many questions and loose ends, maybe we can get a new Beast Wars comic series that addresses these someday.

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I know there was a limited series put out by IDW but I never read it

I'm a tad late on the response here, sorry!

There may be some episodes on YouTube.

I have yet to find a complete torrent of the subtitled episodes. Back in the day, I actually bought these on VHS from a subber called Ctenosaur. I don't think he does anime anymore, just live action stuff.

As far as I know, there were never DVDs (or BluRay) released for either season, so if you do find subs, they will be cruddy TV rips. Watchable, but cruddy

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