TLDR: Scrapper vs Tank
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Double Damage with Regen Scrapper Defenses (assumed build) vs iCapped Defense (more than double the defense), additional -tohit for DDR purposes. Both can have healing, endurance, -damage, resist and defender T9s.
The scrapper version probably won't solo beyond +2x8, but at that level will nuke every group it comes across.
The tank version nukes flat anything +2x8 or below every 90 seconds, and slugs it out in-between. The tank version can solo +4x8 incarnate content.
The scrapper version will have enough damage to not slow down significantly on +4 bosses (but would likely struggle more to solo +4x8), while the tank version will typically want to avoid +4 bosses while soloing, but could tank a room full of them solo or grouped. +2 bosses are ok for either.
The scrapper version will also turn a good team into a great team, a fast team into a super-train. However, the scrapper version will not turn an average team into a great team, nor a poor team into a good team. You'll need a good team as a base starting point.
The tank version can turn a bad team into a good team. Turn a complete team of squishies into a team of tanks or at least scrappers, depending on the build choices. You can grant an entire team +30 to +60 defense to all, as well as massive +to-hit to help lower level sks hit their targets. In addition you have -damage -tohit and several other tools. You can also play main tank vs anything other than iAVs, LR, and States. (you need +hp for the latter)
One of Each (Kin/DP/Kin Time/DP/Time) can turn ANY team into a steam roller. The Kin providing healing, -to-hit, -damage, endurance, and ++damage; while the Time provides healing, endurance, +defense, -to-hit, ++to-hit, -damage, and tanking.
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I would recommend both as defender for the higher modifier numbers, and access to the multiplier powers earlier.
Fulcrum+DP should hit hard enough that you don't miss scourge. Conversely, pre-Fulcrum the corruptor will have more damage.
Pre-50 Time/ can iCap as well as standard soft-cap much more easily and early in the build. Post-50 the corruptor using well timed Clarion Radial can still iCap although logistically it's more difficult, and team buffing will definitely take a hit by using the synchronized clarion radial technique. Aka: Theory vs practice. The theory is sound, but the practice is exponentially more difficult to achieve.
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There should be i22.0 builds for both Kin/DP and Time/DP in my archives in my sig. Updated i22.5 and i23 versions should be available for Time/DP, but probably not for Kin/DP. i23 versions subject to change.
Thanks for the awsome description im gunna thoroughly check out your builds regarding these sets. So many questions I want to ask but I can probably answer them by checking out the builds again thankyou, Gunna check out those Defender number 
Both Kinetics and Time are relatively click heavy sets, for that reason I really wouldn't reccomend pairing either of them with DP due to redraw. A less click heavy set (like radiation) would work much better.
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Oooor...one could skip some of those powers like Time Stop, because Dual Pistols comes with a Hold Power in Supressive Shot, Temporal Selection (many do >_>;|
Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
Both Kinetics and Time are relatively click heavy sets, for that reason I really wouldn't reccomend pairing either of them with DP due to redraw. A less click heavy set (like radiation) would work much better.
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, and Distortion Field because I've found I could go an entire TF without using it, and not notice a difference.There's three clickies gone, and left with buffs, a debuff that's only really useful on tougher targets, and an AOE Debuff!
BrandX Future Staff Fighter
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if I had a 2 sets that offered a hold I would want both for stacking
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Oooor...one could skip some of those powers like Time Stop, because Dual Pistols comes with a Hold Power in Supressive Shot, Temporal Selection (many do >_>;
, and Distortion Field because I've found I could go an entire TF without using it, and not notice a difference.There's three clickies gone, and left with buffs, a debuff that's only really useful on tougher targets, and an AOE Debuff! |
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It is nice. And really, I did love it on my Dark/Ice Defender who had Freeze Ray, Petrifing Gaze, and the Epic Hold power for 3 single target holds to just continuously stack on a target.|
Originally Posted by Cheetatron
if I had a 2 sets that offered a hold I would want both for stacking
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However, with Dual Pistols, the redraw, just made that feel meh. Now redraw is just a downside to using a weapon set period for most people.
To the OP:
I'm not sure I'd suggest Time/DP Defender. I think I'd most likely go...
KIN/DP Defender or DP/TIME Corruptor.
With KIN, you're putting yourself at the damage cap with lots of enemies around to fuel FS.
However, with Time Manipulation, yes the Defender gets better defense numbers, but that's about it (okay a little bit more -Resist in Slowed Response). I'd suggest going with the Higher Damage AT with DP/Time, and just shore up the defense needs.
Though, I do believe even with a KIN/DP vs DP/KIN, wouldn't the Corr win out with both at damage cap, due to Corr having scourge? (Note: I don't recall the ATs damage caps).
BrandX Future Staff Fighter
The BrandX Collection
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I was actually thinking of those exact two choices Kin/DP Defender or DP/Time Corruptor|
Originally Posted by BrandX
To the OP:
I'm not sure I'd suggest Time/DP Defender. I think I'd most likely go... KIN/DP Defender or DP/TIME Corruptor. With KIN, you're putting yourself at the damage cap with lots of enemies around to fuel FS. However, with Time Manipulation, yes the Defender gets better defense numbers, but that's about it (okay a little bit more -Resist in Slowed Response). I'd suggest going with the Higher Damage AT with DP/Time, and just shore up the defense needs. Though, I do believe even with a KIN/DP vs DP/KIN, wouldn't the Corr win out with both at damage cap, due to Corr having scourge? (Note: I don't recall the ATs damage caps). |
prolly gunna go Dp/time Corruptor, but im also interested as two which would do more damage and by how much between a Kin/DP Defender and a DP/Kin Corruptor.
What are some other good secondaries for DP. /Time Thematically seems like cheating especially when u have guns ><
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Well, not only does the Corruptor have a higher damage cap, they also have scourge.|
Originally Posted by JadeGhost
I was actually thinking of those exact two choices Kin/DP Defender or DP/Time Corruptor
prolly gunna go Dp/time Corruptor, but im also interested as two which would do more damage and by how much between a Kin/DP Defender and a DP/Kin Corruptor. What are some other good secondaries for DP. /Time Thematically seems like cheating especially when u have guns >< |
So if able to hit damage cap solo, the Corr.
I believe FS buffs stack as well, so the Corr should, with the right map and survival not a problem, out damage the Defender.
If it doesn't stack from self, past the initial 10 targets, and not counting inspiration use, I believe the Defender would win out untill a hard target was met, then the corr would start to win out with Scourge.
Defenders gettingmore +DMG from FS and their damage bonus when solo which last I knew, kept them pretty even with Corrs on non hard targets.
Time Manip doesn't have +DMG though, so the Corr should win out on that combo.
BrandX Future Staff Fighter
The BrandX Collection
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Kinetics' Fulcrum Shift does stack. My Kins easily run around with 30 fulcrum shifts on them. Kinetics is _always_ better on corrs.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Well, not only does the Corruptor have a higher damage cap, they also have scourge.
So if able to hit damage cap solo, the Corr. I believe FS buffs stack as well, so the Corr should, with the right map and survival not a problem, out damage the Defender. If it doesn't stack from self, past the initial 10 targets, and not counting inspiration use, I believe the Defender would win out untill a hard target was met, then the corr would start to win out with Scourge. Defenders gettingmore +DMG from FS and their damage bonus when solo which last I knew, kept them pretty even with Corrs on non hard targets. Time Manip doesn't have +DMG though, so the Corr should win out on that combo. |
I have a DP/Time Corruptor @ Level 50 and I found it lots of fun. I dont mind the redraw its not that big of a deal.
The hard things I can do--- The impossible just take a little bit longer.
If numbers are so much more important than a teammate who is fun to play with, forget about the game altogether and go play with a calculator instead. -Claws and Effect-
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One caveat:|
Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
Kinetics' Fulcrum Shift does stack. My Kins easily run around with 30 fulcrum shifts on them. Kinetics is _always_ better on corrs.
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You can easily softcap a Defender kin to positional damage, so if you want to be more defensive while still doing pretty damn nice damage (and better heals) defender still is a wonderful option.
When something good happens to me, I can never enjoy it....
I am always too busy looking for the inevitable punchline...
BEHOLD THE POWER OF CHEESE!
I remember when I used to use my Fire/Kin Corr for soloing maps. With enough defense a DP/Kin could manage the incoming damage with heals and insp. I say roll a DP/Kin it seems kinda fun. I just took a few min and threw a build together. I might actually make one now...lol
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Cpl. Punishment: Level 50 Magic Corruptor
Primary Power Set: Dual Pistols
Secondary Power Set: Kinetics
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Dual Wield
- (A) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)
- (7) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance
- (7) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge
- (9) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (9) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge
- (A) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
- (11) Touch of the Nictus - Healing
- (11) Touch of the Nictus - Heal/HitPoints/Regeneration/Recharge
- (13) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Healing
- (13) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Endurance/Heal/HitPoints/Regeneration
- (A) Ragnarok - Chance for Knockdown
- (3) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance
- (3) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge
- (5) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (5) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Recharge
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
- (19) Recharge Reduction IO
- (34) Recharge Reduction IO
- (A) HamiO:Microfilament Exposure
- (A) Superior Malice of the Corruptor - Recharge/Chance for Negative Energy Damage
- (21) Superior Malice of the Corruptor - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (21) Superior Malice of the Corruptor - Accuracy/Damage
- (23) Superior Malice of the Corruptor - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (23) Superior Malice of the Corruptor - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (A) HamiO:Microfilament Exposure
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (31) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)
- (43) Karma - Knockback Protection
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (15) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (15) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
- (A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
- (17) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
- (17) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection
- (19) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/Endurance
- (A) Accuracy IO
- (A) Performance Shifter - EndMod
- (40) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy
- (40) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge
- (A) Tempered Readiness - Accuracy/Damage/Slow
- (46) Tempered Readiness - Accuracy/Slow
- (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
- (25) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
- (25) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
- (27) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
- (27) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
- (29) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
- (A) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy)
- (34) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (36) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage
- (36) Positron's Blast - Damage/Endurance
- (36) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge
- (A) Impervium Armor - Resistance/Endurance
- (29) Impervium Armor - Resistance
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (31) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (31) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
- (A) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage
- (33) Armageddon - Damage/Endurance
- (33) Armageddon - Damage/Recharge
- (33) Armageddon - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (34) Armageddon - Accuracy/Recharge
- (A) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod
- (40) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Recharge
- (42) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge
- (43) Efficacy Adaptor - Accuracy/Recharge
- (43) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy
- (50) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Endurance
- (A) Accuracy IO
- (39) Accuracy IO
- (39) Recharge Reduction IO
- (39) Recharge Reduction IO
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (42) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (42) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
- (A) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Recharge
- (45) Enfeebled Operation - Endurance/Immobilize
- (45) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge
- (45) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Endurance
- (46) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Immobilize
- (46) Enfeebled Operation - Immobilize/Range
- (A) Expedient Reinforcement - Resist Bonus Aura for Pets
- (48) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (48) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Recharge
- (48) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage
- (50) Expedient Reinforcement - Endurance/Damage/Recharge
- (50) Edict of the Master - Defense Bonus
Level 1: Brawl
- (A) Empty
- (A) Empty
- (A) Empty
- (A) Empty
- (A) Empty
- (A) Empty
Level 1: Sprint
- (A) Empty
- (A) Empty
Level 4: Swift
- (A) Run Speed IO
- (A) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
- (37) Miracle - +Recovery
- (A) Jumping IO
- (A) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy
- (37) Performance Shifter - EndMod
- (37) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge
Level 49: Cryo Ammunition
Level 49: Incendiary Ammunition
Level 0: Born In Battle
Level 0: High Pain Threshold
Level 0: Invader
Level 0: Marshal
Level 50: Agility Core Paragon
Level 50: Barrier Core Epiphany
Level 50: Degenerative Radial Flawless Interface
Level 50: Ion Core Final Judgement
Level 50: Cimeroran Core Superior Ally
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Set Bonus Totals:
- 16% DamageBuff(Smashing)
- 16% DamageBuff(Lethal)
- 16% DamageBuff(Fire)
- 16% DamageBuff(Cold)
- 16% DamageBuff(Energy)
- 16% DamageBuff(Negative)
- 16% DamageBuff(Toxic)
- 16% DamageBuff(Psionic)
- 12.88% Defense(Melee)
- 5% Defense
- 11.31% Defense(Smashing)
- 11.31% Defense(Lethal)
- 7.25% Defense(Fire)
- 7.25% Defense(Cold)
- 9.75% Defense(Energy)
- 9.75% Defense(Negative)
- 6% Defense(Psionic)
- 13.5% Defense(Ranged)
- 8.5% Defense(AoE)
- 2.25% Max End
- 81.25% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 3% Enhancement(Immobilized)
- 48% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 10% Enhancement(Range)
- 5% Enhancement(Heal)
- 15% SpeedFlying
- 208.8 HP (19.5%) HitPoints
- 15% JumpHeight
- 15% SpeedJumping
- Knockback (Mag -12)
- Knockup (Mag -12)
- MezResist(Confused) 2.5%
- MezResist(Held) 2.5%
- MezResist(Immobilized) 2.5%
- MezResist(Sleep) 2.5%
- MezResist(Stunned) 2.5%
- MezResist(Terrorized) 2.5%
- 20% (0.33 End/sec) Recovery
- 66% (2.95 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 10% Resistance(Smashing)
- 10% Resistance(Lethal)
- 16.62% Resistance(Fire)
- 16.62% Resistance(Cold)
- 10% Resistance(Energy)
- 11.88% Resistance(Negative)
- 10% Resistance(Toxic)
- 10% Resistance(Psionic)
- 15% SpeedRunning
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Time Stop has 1/3 of the -regen available to /Time.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Oooor...one could skip some of those powers like Time Stop, because Dual Pistols comes with a Hold Power in Supressive Shot, Temporal Selection (many do >_>;
, and Distortion Field because I've found I could go an entire TF without using it, and not notice a difference.There's three clickies gone, and left with buffs, a debuff that's only really useful on tougher targets, and an AOE Debuff! |
I know, this is a necro post, but I was working on my DP/Time in Mids and came up with a silly idea. lots of force feedback procs to up your already rediculous recharge numbers.
Anyone tried something like this?
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Level 50 Magic Corruptor
Primary Power Set: Dual Pistols
Secondary Power Set: Time Manipulation
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Power Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Dual Wield -- Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Apoc-Acc/Rchg(3), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx(9), Apoc-Dmg(9), Apoc-Dam%(15), FrcFbk-Rechg%(48)
Level 1: Time Crawl -- TmpRdns-Acc/Slow(A)
Level 2: Temporal Mending -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(17), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(17)
Level 4: Time's Juncture -- DarkWD-ToHitDeb(A), DarkWD-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(5), DarkWD-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx(5), DarkWD-Slow%(7)
Level 6: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(7)
Level 8: Swap Ammo
Level 10: Bullet Rain -- Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(11), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(11), Ragnrk-Dmg(13), Ragnrk-Knock%(13), FrcFbk-Rechg%(15)
Level 12: Empty Clips -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(40), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(40), Posi-Dmg/Rng(42), Posi-Dam%(42), FrcFbk-Rechg%(43)
Level 14: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 16: Distortion Field -- Lock-Acc/Hold(A), Lock-Acc/Rchg(43), Lock-Rchg/Hold(43), Lock-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(46), Lock-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(46), Lock-%Hold(46)
Level 18: Executioner's Shot -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(19), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(19), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(25), FrcFbk-Rechg%(25)
Level 20: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), S'fstPrt-ResKB(21), GA-3defTpProc(21)
Level 22: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(23), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(23)
Level 24: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 26: Piercing Rounds -- SMotCorruptor-Acc/Dmg(A), SMotCorruptor-Dmg/Rchg(27), SMotCorruptor-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), SMotCorruptor-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), SMotCorruptor-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), SMotCorruptor-Rchg/Dmg%(31)
Level 28: Farsight -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(29), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(29)
Level 30: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(34), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(36)
Level 32: Hail of Bullets -- Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(33), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(33), Armgdn-Dmg(33), Armgdn-Dam%(34), FrcFbk-Rechg%(34)
Level 35: Slowed Response -- ShldBrk-DefDeb(A), ShldBrk-Acc/DefDeb(36), ShldBrk-Acc/Rchg(36), ShldBrk-DefDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(37), ShldBrk-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(37), ShldBrk-%Dam(37)
Level 38: Chrono Shift -- Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(39), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(39), Numna-EndRdx/Rchg(39), Numna-Heal/Rchg(40)
Level 41: Power Build Up -- AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx(A), AdjTgt-Rchg(42)
Level 44: Force of Nature -- RechRdx-I(A), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(45), Aegis-ResDam(45), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(45)
Level 47: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(48)
Level 49: Temp Invulnerability -- Aegis-ResDam(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(50), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(50)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Scourge
Level 1: Sprint -- Clrty-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(48)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-End%(3), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(50)
Level 50: Agility Core Paragon
Level 8: Chemical Ammunition
Level 8: Cryo Ammunition
Level 8: Incendiary Ammunition
Level 50: Reactive Radial Flawless Interface
Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve
Level 0: Portal Jockey
Level 0: Task Force Commander
Level 0: The Atlas Medallion
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Starting a Corruptor for a change and wanted to go DP/ somthing so i've decided on these two combos but am torn between them. from what i've read it seems like DP/Kin does more damage but has less survivability.
my main goal with this char is to be able to efficiently take out large groups of enemies but am interested in the full potentials of each pairing. which is the more synergistic pair and which one better compliments DP at high levels?