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Staff brute and full fury?

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By Blondeshell,
Posted on: 2012-04-24 05:54 in Player Questions

 

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Is it possible to get full fury on a staff brute? I have a staff/elec brute with the superior ato fury proc slotted in sky splitter and i have yet to see my fury go over 85.

Is it because of staffs loldamage? as i understand slotting it the proc in a single target move with base recharge of 15sec should trigger it 100% of the time (the superior version should be in a 12sec). So i spam my sky splitter non stop and i still dont get full fury even when fighting avs.

So if anyone has a staff brute out there are you getting full fury with the ato proc and if so what move did you slot in?

 

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This might help, from the Issue 18 patch notes:


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Brutes
  • Decreased Brute Damage Cap from 850% to 775%.
  • Modified the Brute Fury Formula so that there is a more gradual degradation of Fury Build Up while attacking/being attacked instead of a sharp fall off at 80%. The fall off begins at 30%.
  • Reduced Fury Decay Rate from 2 points per second to 0.75 points per second.
  • The overall result of these two changes to Fury Generation is that it will be easier to maintain low levels of Fury, while gaining very high levels of Fury will be more difficult.
  • Fixed a bug which prevented bonus Fury generation when attacking other players or very difficult targets such as Archvillains. The bonus is a flat 5 points per qualifying target hit by the attack, up to 70% Fury. Note that unlike standard Fury generation, this bonus only applies if the attack hits the target.

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Originally Posted by Naloboi View Post
Is it possible to get full fury on a staff brute? I have a staff/elec brute with the superior ato fury proc slotted in sky splitter and i have yet to see my fury go over 85.

Is it because of staffs loldamage? as i understand slotting it the proc in a single target move with base recharge of 15sec should trigger it 100% of the time (the superior version should be in a 12sec). So i spam my sky splitter non stop and i still dont get full fury even when fighting avs.

So if anyone has a staff brute out there are you getting full fury with the ato proc and if so what move did you slot in?
I'm running a Staff/Energy brute at level 50 right now with the Brute +Fury ATO in the defensive staff power (I'm at work, forgot the name).

Either way, I think the ATO works best in a fast recharging power rather than a combo finisher. Just my opinion though. I tested him on a +1x8 run last night and I had no problem keeping full fury.

Oh, and for what it's worth, the fury "bar" is misleading. You will never "max" out the bar unless you use the Villain Alignment Power: Frenzy. Otherwise, the bar will always be just a tad short from being full.

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Originally Posted by Naloboi View Post
as i understand slotting it the proc in a single target move with base recharge of 15sec should trigger it 100% of the time (the superior version should be in a 12sec).
The Brute's Fury proc triggers on a per activation basis rather than a per target, because it was producing far too high returns in AoEs (particularly damage auras). Because of this, it works identically in Single Target and AoE attacks, assuming that they have the same recharge.

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Thanks for all the replies but now Im a bit confused

After reading some post on ato procs, I thought that aoes and cone moves have a different formula to go off than single targets had? Ex. is that a 15sec single target move gives 100% to proc while a 15sec aoe move doesnt give 100% to proc? Was this changed? Or does this only apply to procs like the corr version which does damage?

Also where would you ppl recommend slotting the ato proc for staff? I have alot of recharge so i did not take my tier1 atk and i use my tier 2 atk as a mule. Any advice welcomed

 

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The Brute ATO proc (compared to other ATO/ppm procs) is unique in that it goes off activation, not targets. So the proc only cares about the powers base recharge - it doesn't care about the AOE of a power like other ATO procs do.

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Originally Posted by SolarSentai View Post
I'm running a Staff/Energy brute at level 50 right now with the Brute +Fury ATO in the defensive staff power (I'm at work, forgot the name).

Either way, I think the ATO works best in a fast recharging power rather than a combo finisher. Just my opinion though. I tested him on a +1x8 run last night and I had no problem keeping full fury.

Oh, and for what it's worth, the fury "bar" is misleading. You will never "max" out the bar unless you use the Villain Alignment Power: Frenzy. Otherwise, the bar will always be just a tad short from being full.
Ok so you can you keep full fury? If its the tier 1 atk you're using then i assume you either spam that move a lot or the base recharge doesnt matter on which move you use then? Meaning it acts almost ike normal procs and the best use is to put in a fast recharging move then?

Sorry if it sounds like im asking the same thing over and over but I read a lot post saying that a single target base recharge of 15sec would 100% guarantee proc. I guess there must have been a change cause i use sky splitter (which is 15sec base recharge and single target) everytime its up and its up just a little under 3sec.

 

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Originally Posted by Rajani Isa View Post
The Brute ATO proc (compared to other ATO/ppm procs) is unique in that it goes off activation, not targets. So the proc only cares about the powers base recharge - it doesn't care about the AOE of a power like other ATO procs do.

So it has the same amount of chance to proc off of any move no matter if its pbaoe or single target? Cause i thought pbaoe follows a different formula? I know it wont proc off of targets but i thought from what I was reading was something like size of aoe and number of targets affect the % chance of the proc going off? Meaning a single target 15sec rech would go off 100% while a 15sec pbaoe would not. Sorry dont know if things got changed or not but just trying to get my brute full fury :-)

 

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For most PPMs, you are correct, AoE radius and cone arc affects the proc chance. This is because AoEs already give you extra chances to proc (since you're hitting multiple targets). But that's not true for the Brute ATO specifically - it only gets one chance to proc, no matter what kind of attack it's in, so it does not get the penalty for being in AoEs. So for that one specifically, you need any attack with >=15s cycle time to get a 100% proc chance.

With the proc, it is possible, at least for some powersets/attack chains, to fill the fury bar, but still not easy, even in extended fights. I'm not sure if Staff specifically is among them, but capping out at 85 fury is still quite good.