staff forms?

Does anyone have any numbers for the different staff forms?


I am most interested in how much in how much the +rchg/end discount/+dmg numbers are during normal fighting without using a finisher.

I enjoy using soul for the end discount because it seems the most noticible but it would be nice to make an informed decision.


thanks,

Gitch

ps if someone has already posted this info please just point me in the right direction as my searchfu has failed me.

You can see them in the in game numbers, the end discount hits around 39% and the +recharge is 15% or something close, Im not in game ATM. I dont remember the +damage

the +dmg on my brute hits about 63% dmg bonus with 3 stack of perfection

That would probably be with fury up. I do enjoy staff more on my Brute than as a Scrapper.

He did say a brute, so if he's getting the number from Combat Attributes tracking, most of that 63% is probably Fury. The damage buff is... in the neighborhood of 15% iirc? I'd have to check in-game for the exact number.

i was at almost no fury, i was just looking at my monitored attribute early in combat with 3 stacks of perfection, i will check the actual buff numbers when i get back on my staff guy

+18.75 damage on my scrapper

I think Soul gives 33% with 3 stacks, equivalent to an SO end reduction. This is the one to level with, especially for a brute.

Yeah I don't even have the set yet but tested it a bunch on beta. Soul was instantly my favorite while leveling.

I have a stalker, brute and scrapper on live. Here are the numbers I have observed so far:

Form of the Body
Scrapper: 5% / 11.25% / 18.75%
Brute/Stalker: 4% / 9% / 15%

Form of the Mind, Scrapper/Brute: 4% / 9% / 15%

Form of the Soul, Scrapper/Brute: 6.15% / 14.25% / 24.8%

The values for form of soul are a little hard to decipher - first off, for some reason the form of soul buff appears twice in the combat monitor window - so the total value shown for overall end discount is funky, I checked the actual value by opening the full combat attributes window and looking at the source, not the total end reduction.

Next, the combat display for global end reduction is wierd - it doesn't display the actual end reduction modifier, it displays some wierdly calculated value that is odd. For example, the secondary mutation power pain tolerance is supposed to give you a 30% end discount, it shows up in the combat attributes window as 23%.

I think what they are doing is caclulating how much end you would SAVE on a power if there were no other end reduction applied and displaying that as a percentage. So on a power that cost 100 end a 30% end reduction would make it cost 76.9 end (100/1.3). Rounded up that is 77 end which means you saved 23 end total - or a 23% end savings, which explains the displayed value for pain tolerance. Based on that, the actual end reduction for form of soul is:

6.5% / 16.5% / 33%

which matches what JayboH remembered from beta for the 3 stack.

I've found Soul to be the only one worth using, especially on a brute. The Body damage bonus is pathetic, and the recharge bonus is only slightly less so. I certainly don't notice either one in actual play. I definitely notice a hefty global end reduction.

Forms are wonderful but was nice if Body was like a follow up with 3 stacks 30% damage on brutes and 37.5% on scrapper. Or something like 15% per stack on scrapper (45% 3 stacks) and brute 12% per stack (36% 3 stacks)

for form of the soul i was getting almost 40% end discount, i did notice the first tier buff being counted twice which is why its around 39.5% end discount instead of 33% end discount

as for form of the body, the dmg bonus is kind of low but the -resist that eye of the storm deals is not bad although i have to say i use form of the soul more than anything, ive never really used form of the mind at all

Thanks for the reply's.

I guess that explains why the only one I noticed any difference on was Soul.

Gitch