Help with ATO procs


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Hello all just curious is it still worth it to slot the brute ato proc in damage arau toggles? i know alot of ppl say its better in a ST 12sec base rech power(if you have the purple version) but what about cones like inisiduous strike(i think thats the name lol the last cone move in staff). The reason i ask is i dont want to take out the heca set I have in the staff tier 9 move(dam all the names elude me right now). I dont use precise strike cause my recharge is high enough that i can cycle gs>sp.gs>is>sk. i know thats not the ultimate dps chain but i always fight on /8 so i like killing the mobs fast. So would the proc be better in the damage toggle or one of the cones? Any help is welcomed

Also is it worth it to slot the corrupter ato in say rain of arrows on a archer? not sure how it would work on that power but archer doesnt really have a long base rech single power move so not sure where to get the best result for that ato. thanks all for any help ♠


 

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Procs you will want to put in the attack that you will be using the most, so it has the most amount of chances to proc.

I am not 100% sure, but I believe the damage aura will only check for the ATIO proc every 10 seconds. (I could be wrong, it might check every tick for every mob, but I bet it's like the Interface Proc.

So if you have an attack that you use more than every 10 seconds (brawl perhaps) then slot it there.



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Don't the ATO procs use Procs per Minute? If that is the case, you might want to put them in an attack that has a base recharge close to
60/(number of procs per minute), as that would give a 100% proc chance. For the normal Brute ATO proc, a power that has 15s recharge or greater (before enhancement/set bonuses/buffs) would give a 100% proc rate. For a Superior, that would be 12s. AoEs have an additional part of the formula based on target cap (and maybe range?) that I haven't heard if anyone's managed to figure it out yet.

After you do factor in enhancement/set bonus/buffs, it is very possible one of your attacks will recharge faster than 10 seconds, yet still have the chance to proc at 100%. That sounds like it would be more procs than the damage aura, if it only checks every 10 seconds.

For normal, run of the mill procs, Pine's advice is right.


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The Brute's Fury proc is a special case: it procs per activation, not per target. That means that (unlike other PPM procs), it doesn't make any difference if the slotted power is Single Target or AoE.

Damage auras will check every 10 seconds. I'm not sure if damage auras use the power's actual recharge or 10 seconds to calculate the chance of triggering. Which it uses would determine if it's a good idea to put it there.

The best place to put it is in the longest base recharge power that you use frequently. I think it still has to hit something before it checks the proc, so slotting it in an AoE is theoretically better - you're less likely to miss everything in an AoE that you are to miss a single target. However, if you've got a high chance to hit, the point will become moot.

Regardless of whether you're using the regular or purple version, I'd try to get it in a 10-12 second recharge power. That way, it has a very high (if not guaranteed) chance to proc, and you'll be able to use the power frequently, even without crazy recharge. Putting it in a faster power will have the chance to get a lucky streak that spikes your Fury WAY up, but it also lowers the proc chance, increasing the possibility of getting a long dry spell of no successful procs.


@Roderick

 

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Originally Posted by _Pine_ View Post
So if you have an attack that you use more than every 10 seconds (brawl perhaps) then slot it there.
Brawl is not a Brute power, therefore it does not accept Brute ATOs (nor any other ATOs). Neither do attacks out of Power Pools, like Boxing, Kick, or Air Superiority.


@Roderick

 

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Speaking of ATO procs... I believe somebody posted that they figured out the ATO proc formula for circular area effects but weren't sure about cones.

Even if there's no exact formula yet, would you say that ATO procs work better in cones, or in TAoE attacks?

Thanks for any information on this,

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