Wondering which ageless to get

I now have the ageless core epiphany with the recovery,but start looking

at ageless Radial epiphany with the debuff resistance.

Thinking that might work seeing that I've the paralytic from

interface with the 75% def debuff.

Well,anyway wanted to know what you guy go with in ageless,

and if i'll be losing to much recovery for the resistance debuff,

I have never seen anybody go for the debuff resistance side of the tree.

Odds are, if you took Ageless as your destiny, it is because you need the endurance it grants you. And if you need the endurance it grants you, then the boosted recovery is going to help you a lot more than the debuff resistance would.

The interface doesn't do -75% debuff, by the way. 75% is the chance it has to actually fire. According to the wiki's article on Interface slot abilities, Paralytic has a 75% chance to apply a 5% defense debuff for ten seconds, which can stack up to four times for a total of 20% defense debuff. Which is, quite frankly, not worth it, because it's pretty rare for people to not have at least an 85% chance to hit the things they're swinging at, and that's mostly because of the dodgy jerks.

It's hard to say whether Ageless core or radial would be better without seeing your build. Do you rely on the recovery to stay end sustainable? If you do switching to the radial side might be a bad idea. I only have ageless on a single toon, my ss/fire, and I use the core side because he needs the recovery when I'm not using my Vigor alpha.

Also Ageless Radial isn't a resistance debuff... it resists debuffs on your toons. So say you were hit with a 10% tohit debuff, you would be hit for a 6% tohit debuff instead with ageless radial (made up numbers). Ageless Radial does not debuff enemies.


Also I would strongly recommend a different interface ability than Paralytic. Choose an interface with a 75% chance for damage over time. The interface abilities without DoT components are pretty much trash.

Thanks and I was meaning 75% change to fire.

That makes total sense to me, how could i even thing about being without my recovery guess its still to early for me .

Thanks all for your input about paralytic will be swicthing back to reactive flawless.

Again, as previously said it's hard to really give good advice without having any idea what AT or powersets this is on. I routinely pick up Ageless Radial Epiphany for the debuff resistance on my Tankers and Brutes that have a lot of Defense from IOs - this is because they have very little or no native DDR (defense debuff resistance) of their own and the Ageless can and does make a significant difference in their ability to maintain that.

The endurance recovery usually isn't an issue for me as I can either address it with IOs or get an endurance reduction from my Alpha, or both. Therefore it's a not a huge loss not having that from the Core line, and you still get a boost of endurance every time you fire it off which helps to top you off every other minute.

I use the the T4 Ageless Radial on my main, a Stone Tank.

Destiny Ageless Radial Epiphany - [NOTE: The Destiny Ageless Radial Epiphany power is shown WRONG in the WIKI and in the only Forum Guide I could find. The Debuff resistance boosts are not shown and the total buff time is listed at 90 seconds.] EDIT- original Note, kept for continuity and replaced below. See my apology for this version in a following post.

Destiny Ageless Radial Epiphany - EDIT: The Note section is rewritten for clarity and to correct errors [NOTE: The Destiny Ageless Radial Epiphany power is shown Wrong on both the WIKI pages and in the only Forum Guide I could find. The Debuff Resistance boosts and all the other buff times are listed at 90 seconds. The chart at Destiny Slot Abilities does not show the +Endurance or the Global Recharge Buff. The specific power page shows 90 sec. Endurance, which makes no sense.]

All below is from confirmed in game testing.

It gives a one shot 100% +Endurance bar refill on each activation.

It gives a full 2 minute Global Recharge bonus as follows -
70% for the first 10 sec, dropping to
30% for the next 20 sec,
20% for the next 30 sec, and a
10% lingering boost for the final minute.
That is a weighted average of 20.83% for the whole 2 minutes if my sadly deteriorated math skills worked.

Finally, it also gives ALL DeBuff Resistances (Regen, Recovery, ToHit, Recharge time, and Defense - as shown in the Combat Info Section) an
85% boost for 30 seconds, dropping to a
42.5% boost for the next 30 sec., and a lingering
21.25% boost for the final minute.

I am a Stone Tank looking for max survivability.
This Hard Caps my existing DDR for a full minute. DDR never drops below 81.8 % with Rooted and this buff both going. With my overcapped Defense and this boost, I sneer at any possible group of Cimerorans for example. Note that in actual play, since I often spam this power for the constant Recharge help to Granite, I almost never have to activate Rooted for DDR anymore. Because I also have a Winter's Gift global my slow resist can be kept at 41.25 % or higher full time and can be Hard Capped for 30 sec.

Another advantage of this Destiny is that almost nobody else uses it, so it provides help that is unique on teams and leagues.

Hope that helps you decide.

Jak

The wiki entry, while it does have the incorrect 90 sec value, seems to be correct otherwise and does list the Debuff Resistance. You can always look up the values on the RedTomax guide which is part of the same cohtitan site.

If you were referencing the malware-ridden, famously incorrect and seldom-updated wikia site, well... don't.

Well I suppose that it may be nitpicking, but the relevant part of the listing you link reads:

"90 sec. Endurance, Recharge Rate and Debuff Resistance buff for all allies in a 60 feet PBAoE radius."

There is NO '90 sec Endurance buff', as that implies something that expires such as a temporary increase of some sort to the Max Endurance of all affected, if we use standard game terminology. The only other thing we might infer is that the listing actually means +Recovery, which would also be an error.

The Power does provide a single infusion of Endurance, generally referenced as +Endurance. That line in the Chart, at the other regular WIKI page people might consult, is available but Not checked. Of couse as we both agree, the listing on the specific power page you link, for the Recharge Rate Buff and the Debuff Resistance Buff, at least make some sense, just having incorrect times. But I would suggest that showing a T4 Incarnate power with multiple net times of Only 90 sec. is a pretty serious 'wrong', and that specific power page does rise to the standard of just plain wrong.

Here is the Chart I mentioned -http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Destiny_Slot_Abilities

That chart not only repeats the wrong duration, it fails to show the +Endurance for the T4 even with the line available, and also fails to show the +Recharge Rate Buff at all, and is in fact the page I had in mind when saying the WIKI showed this power wrong. I think that, for that one power only, the description just plain wrong is fair.

However, upon reflection, THANK GOODNESS that there are unpaid selfless VOLUNTEERS who make the WIKI pages. If carping so strongly about one error in such a huge project as cataloging a whole new class of powers offended anyone, I Humbly Apologise.

I always forget the Red Tomax guide. There is another 'Thank Goodness', since they keep updating it, even though Red seems gone now.

Jak

I'll like to thanks everyone for your insight,and quick replys.

I have decide to go after the second tree(Radial epiphany) just to see how it works for me.

By the way i'm ss/invul brute will post when i'm done with this.

I feel i pretty good with end except with the crash from rage and hasten,but able to handle that for the most part.

Thanks again for all the number crunching for me has my head spinning a littlebit lol,but it was welcome.

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I use Destiny to shore up the biggest weakness of an alt. If I've build to cap def, but have no DDR, I almost always take the Ageless for the DDR. (Edit: Well, in fairness, I usually grab mez protection from Clarion, but my second choice is Ageless)

I've usually addressed my end issues much earlier. So I see it as a way to further boost recharge and toughen my defenses nicely vs the opponent types that are often the scariest. Also, being able to refill a teammate (or myself) after a crashing nuke is always nice.

In all, I find it very effective. But, as I said, I've never needed the extra recovery at this point, so I don't know if I can compare it vs the +recovery version very well.