Help making a new MM?

Alright, recently i got the urge to make a MM and wanted to try Demons, since i've never made one. I want to know if anyone has any tips for DS, and what a good sub would be. I've been thinking about /storm or /time. Anything but /dark, since i've played it too much.

I've heard some folks like Storms paired with Demons, but I don't have much experience with Storms, just not my cup of tea.

However, I'd reccommend Time. With IOs, you can get about 35 defense for your Demons, plus the -tohit from Time's Juncture, and all their great resists, plus heals, then slows (to stack with Demon Prince) and even some -damage; and its layers of defenses, lots of controls, and some nice debuffs to help them kill quicker, and makes a nice package.

Only thing I don't like is feeling compelled to grab Mace for the power build up to maximize Farsight, but that's not a bad thing.

Demons like melee, also, and Time likes melee. You'll be right up there with them. Luckily, Ember demon also adds to your resistances, but do make sure to toughen yourself up with a Patron shield, etc, so you don't fall over with a good breeze up near the action.

I think a lot depends on your play style.

Thermal adds Resist to the pets so they live longer (always a good thing). Thaw will keep them from being mezzed to death (I use that before dashing into the big boss fights if I can). Forge will make the Ember even more of a killing machine and Melt Armor will soften up the hard targets. You also get a ST and an AoE heal.

Sonic also gives you Resists but without the heal. It has Liquify (great for keeping mobs off their feet) and Clarity for fighting off Mez.

Time is a great set for Melee-centric pets because of the PBAoE heal and the aura.

A lot depends on your style as I said. Good luck in any case.

I wouldn't go with Storm unless you specifically have a stormer and understand how it works or are willing to learn. Hurricane can be as sharp as a surgical knife or a broad as a shotgun. In team play Hurricane can get you kicked from a team if you do not take the time to understand how far you can push a mob against a wall before he spins off.

Thunderstorm as well can be an issue. I usually hover with TS so it ends up high enough that TS becomes a knockdown and not a knockback.

I'm thinking Time might be good choice because of the defenses it offers to you and the pets and has a heal. Your pets already have some decent numbers resistance wise.

Thermal might be good as the shields will cap out your pets early resistance wise but it I am thinking it might be an over kill numbers wise for the pets. Basically getting more then needed. It of course has a heal as well which is nice.

The good thing is that Time and Storm are a boon during several incarnate trials because of the knockback of hurricane and the slow powers of Time

I'll thow a voice in there for Force Field, too.

Yes, its pretty one-dimensional. But you'll have soft-capped defense for all pets, you can get some very respectable defense for yourself, everyone gets status protection (important for pets), and you have Force Bubble which is nice for some trials (ie, BAF). You also do not have to get into melee, just bubble pets and send them in to kill while you hover at their back.

FF also adds +30 tox resists, endurance drain resistance. Ember Demon can do heals to help out (but I'd still recommend Aid Self). To note, Ember heals more reliably IMO than Protector Bots.

While FF doesn't have too much control (unless you enjoy KB), Demon Price adds slows and a hold, so you get some extras there.

FF is also easy on your slotting (Time is not), and you can take all three attacks and debuff resistance all day lone and actually attack. FF would be my second choice after /Time.

Have fun, Demons and Bots are arguably the two most strong sets in the AT (with Thugs being a contender).

Traps is infinitely superior to Force Fields. You trade a little bit of Defense for some of the best debuffs in the game, survivability tools, and it's just a more active and fun set. Force Fields is just a newbie trap and is outdated garbage.

If you really want a 'Defense' based set, go Traps or go home. (Time exists too but /shrug if I'm going a Defense based set I want the Bubble Mez Protection.)

If you want really good synergy? Demons/Thermal is really dumb. If you invest in the (cheap) +Resistance Auras, you can nearly 90% cap your Demons resistances. This combined with AoE Healing means they practically will never die.

Demons/Dark is alright. You trade the insane resistances for some various tools and tricks but eh.

Demons/Traps, Demons/Thermal, or Demons/Dark IMO.

Time is obviously an option too but eh. Amazing set but shrug.

Also, for the OP, if you want mez protection and you intend to go incarnate, Clarion Destiny exists pretty much perma at T3 (easy to get).

Normally with Farsight, Defense will be high enough you won't need it. And of any archetype, MMs can do well enough with their pets that they can survive some mezzing prior to 50.

I've got to throw my hat in the ring for time here. I really love this set. The buffs are decent duration fire and forget, you get a great AOE heal, fantastic defenses and a toolbox of debuffs/control to keep you busy.

So far I've got a 50 thugs/time 39 necro/time 31 bots/time and 31 demons/time. Love them all.

I'm rather fond of /Dark Miasma myself. You get a PBAoE heal with -acc, location based snare and -res, AoE -acc and -dam, AoE disorient and rez, a hold, a cone fear, and a pocket controller. It does require a lot of attention, but the number of tools you have is incredible. If you die, it's because you did something wrong, not because your toolkit didn't have the right tool for the job. A great secondary in my opinion.

I would advise against /FF unless you just love it. It's not a bad set, but it's very one dimensional. Boring even. Unless you want to juggle targets with knockback you're basically there to resummon dead henchmen, rebuff every few minutes, and stand close enough to give your pets your auras. Kind of boring.

Time. Time time time. Time is the greatest MM set, rivaled only by Dark Miasma. The advantage of Time over Dark is the alpha strike... With Time you can get all your buffs and debuffs out before the enemies hit, with Dark that is not the case, it takes a bit to get all the -tohit up and running.

Go with Mace Mastery, get Scorpion shield. Maneuvers and combat jumping/hover, boom you're soft capped to s/l and very near for energy. Add into that to -tohit from Time's Juncture and you get very near the incarnate soft cap without even IOs. With Hell of Earth you can slot all of the pet uniques, for another 10% defense and 20% resistance, add in the Time buffs and the Ember Shield, you have nigh-invulnerable tankerpets. The ember demon has heals of its own to go with Temporal Mending... Temporal Mending is unique in that it is a heal over time. It will heal your pets, and then keep healing them. This is invaluable, because most of the time when you toss a heal at a slightly hurt minion, it will then get hit hard and die before your heal recharges. Then you can add in all the mitigation from the slows and -rech, also help killing things faster with Slowed Response..

Oh, and Chrono Shift makes getting perma-hasten trivial, and then you have no more end problems. Really, truly a wonderful set

Yeah I would say Time/Dark/Traps are all on the same level when it comes to the top secondaries.

Thermal is also right there but specifically with Demons, and Storm Summoning is underestimated more often than not. I won't deny Time is an amazing secondary, arguably broken even. But not so much that I'd only roll Time.

I make it a rule to never encourage more stormies, as my play experience indicates more often than not people don't really get how to utilize kb. It's also one of the most expensive endurance-wise.

If you're not guzzling down Blues, you're not spamming your powers enough!

Ah well, they just looked funny together - some posts are hit or miss.

Your choice of secondary really depends on how busy you want to be, how often you team and how fast your team is moving.

As a MM in fast moving teams your always behind - if you have to stop, re-summon, buff etc.

Soloing you are a team unto yourself and can up the mission difficulty quickly.

Incarnates will be very frustrating - it is extremely hard to get enough defense to handle the lvl differences meaning soft cap is higher than 45%.

Traps is very busy and fun - especially for those inclined to play tanker-mind.

Think like a tanker with 6 blasters you have to protect...

With traps you can soft cap yourself as well as getting a LOT of resistance.

FF can tanker-mind as well as soft cap pets...you lack a primary or secondary heal but there are work arounds. FF is easy in that it has lots of extra slots...

Time can soft cap but require power boost to do it - adding maneuvers...

Heat can cap pet resistances but the heal may not keep up...MM's cap resistance at 75% - not sure oft hand what the pets cap is....

Storm is just plain chaos - especially if you actually use tornado.

MM's really are a mindset...