While i understand the frustration of waiting 2+ hours, like it was said life happens.
Pdfc gets the win, no DQ.
"Damn me and my big mouth"
New week. THU challenges PDFC.
Rankings week 5
1.Paul Deen Fan Club
2.T.H.U
3.Freaky Clowns
4.dUmb P.M.S
5.MONSTER MASH
6.Quarter Pounders
"Damn me and my big mouth"
Paula Deen Fan Club accepts challenge request from
The Highly Unlikelys!
We can battle Thursday evening at 6pm pacific 9pm eastern.
Most people have plans already Friday night.
And Sat night I have some making up to do with a gorgeous
female that I blew off because of this past weekends debacle;
and Sat is a diff week anyway =P.
So we are good to go Thurs. 6 pacific 9 eastern. I'm afraid we can't do
later than that because most of our members have work the next
morning; some as early as 5 am.
If you accept the time, then see you guys Thurs!! 
@PiP3R
We'll see you Thursday at 9pm EST/6pm PST! Been looking forward to this 5v5.
Looking foward to the match.
One of our members has an important meeting at 7pm eastern,
so we'll have to begin right on time. But, if you guys want
we could begin half an hour earlier just to make things safe.
Either way, see you guys on thurs =)
@PiP3R
The Pounders wish to challenge Monster Mash sometime this week.
Anything late Thurs/Friday seems to be doable, late as in 11 pm eastern.
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You mean 7pm pacific? 7pm eastern is before the 9pm eastern time you set. Also, is he buying illegal materials? Most important meetings happen before 7pm. Just sayin' |
Originally Posted by PiP3R
Looking foward to the match.
One of our members has an important meeting at 7pm eastern, so we'll have to begin right on time. But, if you guys want we could begin half an hour earlier just to make things safe. Either way, see you guys on thurs =) @PiP3R |
Okay to avoid futher incident please
Show up with atleast 3 people within 10 minutes of the scheduled time (Unless the other team agrees to wait longer)
"Damn me and my big mouth"
Sadly, I will not be able to join this match, what with having a life on the other side of the world and a job that I have to go to. I'm not leaving work for PvP that ends up being at 11am Friday my time.
Best of luck guys.
~Gabz
Official Realtor of Infinity
The Highly Unlikelies - Victory PvP
Globally @Gabriella of Mercy
Paragon City Search & Rescue
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Yea srry Obs, I meant 7pm pacific. |
Originally Posted by TheMightyObs
You mean 7pm pacific? 7pm eastern is before the 9pm eastern time you set.
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We're on early, but we're good to go the original posted time
of 6 pacific. Whenever u guys get here =)
@PiP3R
dUmb vs Bug's team is scheduled for Fri @ 6pm PST/9pm EST
My team better show up!
- Smallz
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PAULA DEEN DEFENDS THE TITLE AND WINS!
Paul Deen won 2 matches to 1.
Looking foward to a diff challenger if any next week!
gg's THU
@PiP3R
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We here at THU have been pouring through the combat logs for hours. We'll get screen shots and analysis of the accuracy/dmg PDFC's members brought to the table *as well as what they would have had to do to get it* as soon as it's all sorted and itemized. Get ready for a good laugh, guys! Personally, I think you should be DQ'd (since you massively shattered the rules and should be) or at the very least bumped down to last. The reason we as a team aren't announcing a "They get DQ'd or we go" ultimatum is because this is a small tournament and we've already seen enough teams leave of their own volition. Maybe the rules will get evened out and we can actually have a fair match one day. Wouldn't that be nice? Instead of one where we pretty much just throw ourselves at you to collect mountains of data with the occasional debuff and attack of our own to get baselines for how you guys would perform if you weren't cheating. On, you know, a massive level |
Originally Posted by PiP3R
PAULA DEEN DEFENDS THE TITLE AND WINS!
Paul Deen won 2 matches to 1. Looking foward to a diff challenger if any next week! gg's THU @PiP3R |
Still like ya, buddy. Enough to not recount the entire litany of what your team has done from when this began to present.
Again - we're still not angry. Just very disappointed in you guys.
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/roidrage|
Originally Posted by The_Masque
I guess what I'm trying to say is- guys- its a freaking lvl 5 pvp event, EVERYONE needs to stop trying to be so "epic" at it.
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I'll be honest, I stopped caring when people stopped wanting to actually fight. I'm not big on wasting my time counting a clock for the hell of it.
Tactics schmactics.
♥Gabz
Official Realtor of Infinity
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Globally @Gabriella of Mercy
Paragon City Search & Rescue
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Originally Posted by Gabby
/roidrage
I'll be honest, I stopped caring when people stopped wanting to actually fight. I'm not big on wasting my time counting a clock for the hell of it. Tactics schmactics. ♥Gabz |
Hiya Gabs!
Sorry I deleted my post because I decided it really didn't do anything but add more drama to an already /e eyeroll situation.
I still say that people need to stop trying so hard and just have fun. Also, we should try to keep the pvp in the arena and off the forums which is why I removed my post. I will send Obs a pm in game about what I had posted.
Hiya Masque!
I couldn't agree with you more. You can ask the rest of THU, I'm really disheartened that we even have to consider playing dirty just to stand a chance anymore. We've only ever played (and won) by the rules.
♥Gabz
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The Highly Unlikelies - Victory PvP
Globally @Gabriella of Mercy
Paragon City Search & Rescue
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There aren't any DQ's, as per Bug.|
Originally Posted by TheMightyObs
We here at THU have been pouring through the combat logs for hours. We'll get screen shots and analysis of the accuracy/dmg PDFC's members brought to the table *as well as what they would have had to do to get it* as soon as it's all sorted and itemized. Get ready for a good laugh, guys! Personally, I think you should be DQ'd (since you massively shattered the rules and should be) or at the very least bumped down to last. The reason we as a team aren't announcing a "They get DQ'd or we go" ultimatum is because this is a small tournament and we've already seen enough teams leave of their own volition. Maybe the rules will get evened out and we can actually have a fair match one day. Wouldn't that be nice? Instead of one where we pretty much just throw ourselves at you to collect mountains of data with the occasional debuff and attack of our own to get baselines for how you guys would perform if you weren't cheating. On, you know, a massive level
Still like ya, buddy. Enough to not recount the entire litany of what your team has done from when this began to present. |
There isn't any such thing as fair PvP match. Some players have better rigs, better reflexes, better builds (yes even at level 10...) it happens.
You yourself said you were confident of taking the ladder, to the point of offering ATIOs to the winning team...oops?
The rules are evened out:
There is no rule against lineup substitutions before a match starts, so a team could just swap out level 10s forever.
There are no lineup submissions either...see above.
There isn't a barcode rule
because you can simply tab by AT.There are no penalties for temp power usage, not that this has happened anything but accidentally from what I've seen.
Everyone with a VIP account has access to the same ATs and levelling path so no issues there either...
Your team has been on top of the league since the start, where were these issues then? Especially since Bug himself has said that any prizes wouldn't necessarily be by standings...
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Originally Posted by Gabby
/roidrage
I'll be honest, I stopped caring when people stopped wanting to actually fight. I'm not big on wasting my time counting a clock for the hell of it. Tactics schmactics. ♥Gabz |
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Apologies, but your point eludes me. Regardless, have a response.
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Here are some issues. In one round of the last match we caught them trying to turn off travel suppression and healing decay. They've previously tried to set maps of their preference without discussion, which isn't allowed. From there, the issue becomes that base accuracy on most attacks is 50%. Up until at least last night only TO enhancements were allowed and somehow almost every attack they had would hit with over 78% after getting hit by the poison tohit debuff. A lot of their attacks have what amounts to around 107-117% accuracy and without debuffs always hit at 95%. Our most accurate person, with attacks 2-3 slotted with accuracy TO's AND AIM ON peaks at an accuracy of around 93%. That's on an attack with an inherently higher accuracy. You could say "Oh, it's good slotting and aim and/or BU," but that doesn't explain why two corr's and a dom without BU or aim have a base accuracy of 95% on almost every attack. In pvp, every AT we brought had an inherent res of 40%, as did theirs. The average attack any of us uses in the arena hits deals around 15-20 dmg. One TO usually ups it by one point. Some of their attacks would deal over 70 damage, which adjusted for the dmg res amounts to over 115 damage dealt. Their average attacks were more towards 23-27 without AM or assault. It isn't that it wasn't an issue before, it's just that now the FACT they've repeatedly broken or tried to break every rule they can is the consensus among members of pretty much every team. I just felt like being the one to bring it up on the forums. We can ride our high horses and jibber jabber about all this childish non-confrontational "blah blah, I don't want drama, I want a pony and a rabbit and a rainbow and a bunny" nonsense all day but I'm not going to show the slightest hint of respect for any one of their victories. They're not getting my ATIO's, that offer is retracted because they broke the rules and the proof is so impossible to ignore that I'm not actually sitting here and complaining about it. I'm standing up and saying what every one else is too passive to say.|
Originally Posted by Bug_Me
Rankings week 3
Travel supression is on Healing Decay is on Diminishing returns is on No, ATOs, IOs, and dmg procs are not allowed. Training enhancements only. |
You know why you see us sit at our spawn points during matches? Because every once in a while we get sick of this team or that sitting at theirs like a bunch of frightened school girls and having to travel 80-90% of the map just to stomp them. THE AVERAGE TEAM NO LONGER EVEN MEETS US IN THE MIDDLE. They're too afraid. We create ridiculous spreads. And PDFC is afraid of us because even though they've often refused to ever leave their spawn point, we've often gone over to theirs then messed them up despite their use of SO's and likely ATIO's. They didn't push for a forfeit in our match before last because they felt it was fair, they did it because they were afraid that we'd beat them even though they were cheating. They didn't even stick around to face us in sudden death in one match then tried to call it a tie even though Bug clearly stated sudden death counts.
Neuronia, I apologize for the harsh comparison but right now you're reminding me of one of those people who tells a battered wife to shut up and stay with their physically abusive husband because blah blah blah. That's all it is, just blah blah blah. Don't stand up for what's clearly wrong. If this looks like whining to you then challenge them. Have every one on your team make a tab for dmg taken, dealt and tohit rolls. Then do what we did and examine the data. See if you like facing people who are okay with cheating to gain enhancement bonuses that are double to quintuple what you can achieve by following the rules. They didn't always cheat this badly, but as the days rolled by and they DFB'd for more so's it's grown more blatant.
What's really sad is that this is still far from a full list of every time and way they've cheated or tried to.
If you really want to know where our issues were before now, they were at the tip of our tongues and we bit them. We've had more than one team try to cheat to beat us. Just never had another team try this severely, and we never felt a need to record the data until now.
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Obs, I really strongly suggest you calm down take a deep breath and chill out. This is level 5 pvp. This isn't a guy beating his wife comparing the two is just ludicrous.|
Originally Posted by TheMightyObs
Apologies, but your point eludes me. Regardless, have a response.
Here are some issues. In one round of the last match we caught them trying to turn off travel suppression and healing decay. They've previously tried to set maps of their preference without discussion, which isn't allowed. From there, the issue becomes that base accuracy on most attacks is 50%. Up until at least last night only TO enhancements were allowed and somehow almost every attack they had would hit with over 78% after getting hit by the poison tohit debuff. A lot of their attacks have what amounts to around 107-117% accuracy and without debuffs always hit at 95%. Our most accurate person, with attacks 2-3 slotted with accuracy TO's AND AIM ON peaks at an accuracy of around 93%. That's on an attack with an inherently higher accuracy. You could say "Oh, it's good slotting and aim and/or BU," but that doesn't explain why two corr's and a dom without BU or aim have a base accuracy of 95% on almost every attack. It isn't that it wasn't an issue before, it's just that now it's the consensus among members of pretty much every team and I felt like being the one to bring it up on the forums. We can ride our high horses and jibber jabber about all this childish non-confrontational "blah blah, I don't want drama, I want a pony and a rabbit and a rainbow and a bunny" nonsense all day but I'm not going to show the slightest hint of respect for any one of their victories. They're not getting my ATIO's, that offer is retracted because they broke the rules and the proof is so impossible to ignore that I'm not actually sitting here and complaining about it. I'm standing up and saying what every one else is too passive to say. You know why you see us sit at our spawn points during matches? Because every once in a while we get sick of this team or that sitting at theirs like a bunch of frightened school girls and having to travel 80-90% of the map just to stomp them. THE AVERAGE TEAM NO LONGER EVEN MEETS US IN THE MIDDLE. They're too afraid. We create ridiculous spreads. And PDFC is afraid of us because even though they've often refused to ever leave their spawn point, we've often gone over to theirs then messed them up despite their use of SO's and likely ATIO's. They didn't push for a forfeit in our match before last because they felt it was fair, they did it because they were afraid that we'd beat them even though they were cheating. They didn't even stick around to face us in sudden death in one match then tried to call it a tie even though Bug clearly stated sudden death counts. The real issue here is that PDFC tries to break every rule they can find a way to break and people are just letting it slide. Neuronia, I apologize for the harsh comparison but right now you're reminding me of one of those people who tells a battered wife to go to counseling with their physically abusive husband for the fifth time in ten years. Don't condone what's clearly wrong. If this looks like whining to you then challenge them. Have every one on your team make a tab for dmg taken, dealt and tohit rolls. Then do what we did and examine the data. See if you like facing people who are okay with cheating to gain enhancement bonuses that are double to quintuple what you can achieve by following the rules. They didn't always cheat this badly, but as the days rolled by and they DFB'd for more so's it's grown more blatant. What's really sad is that this is still far from a full list of every time and way they've cheated or tried to. |
I actually spoke with bug about this very issue on more than one occassion, and he is fully aware that teamS (notice the s) are using SOs IOs or whatever. Honestly, I don't want to speak for bug but I know when we talked bout designing this event he hoped it would be drama free and just for fun.
I would again strongly suggest that you as well as your team look over your posts and decide if you are not causing the very drama that bug and all of us hoped to avoid.
My suggestion is and has always been if you have an issue with a team or this event pm bug about your concerns or talk to that teams captain. Attempting to trash another team publicly just makes you look like a poor sport and a sore loser.
I get that there is drama between you and this other team but keep it off the forums.
Well I hope someone had fun, because that was the main reason of this thing.
Unfortunately, some people have been taking this way too serious. It is only a game, and a game should be fun to play.
Like Masque said, this is not the first time someone has pointed out that there is "PROBARLY" SOs in play. I've been asked how THU has had such high accuracy by more then one team.
I'm sorry I am not the right guy to say if you have or havent. Perhaps next time when someone starts a ladder, they will be equipped to single out these things. Or simply be smart enough to allow SOs, ATOs and IOs to begin with.
My passitivity? Yes, I don't want any drama, that was the reason why I made a silly, irelevant, low and unknown reward. I like my no-drama pony, I like that I didnt just take another team's side against yours, I like that I didn't just take your side against other teams'. That is why I am even still reading this thread: to try and keep it fair, so there would be little to no drama.
Now have I done a good job? Not at all. Clearly, since we lost half of the teams early on. Teams that actually play on this server regularly, and can't just go take a giant dump on everything, because they can always go back to another server afterwards.
Even if you showed me the numbers which you have, I have been shown similar numbers by others from others teams.
That said, I'm not DQ'ing anyone for Acc% or "high" damage. I cannot see player builds with respect to slotting, so if you want to spend the time getting low-level SOs, IOs (Without the set bonues) or ATOs (I wouldn't slot a damage proc, that would show up) go right ahead, I am done.
Freaky Clowns will be fighting dUmb P.M.S tonight and then we are withdrawing from the ladder.
gg
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Well since it looks as though the ladder is facing some stability issues
I just want to say a few things.
First, Bug, thx for putting together this ladder. Not many ppl
dedicate the time and effort to organize such a thing. Despite
some ppl's frustrations, we had an amazing time and are
grateful for the opportunity to participate.
One thing I want to clear up. About PDFC calling for a dq on THU,
all we meant was a forfeit for that match, and not a dq from the
entire league; but some ppl quickly got hot headed and made
a big deal out of it.
In past leagues/ladders there has always been an understanding of showing up relative to the scheduled time. I'm srry if there was any confusion surrounding the matter, but such is life. Maybe if cooler heads and more experienced and quality pvp'rs prevailed, they would have
understood the situation better.
Obs, your a pancake. I understand your frustrations though. Every aspiring pvp'r goes through some defeats and losses. One day your teams skill will improve and then maybe you guys wont get beat so bad :0D.
And I just want to quickly address some of the rediculous things said about our team:
quote from obs:
We here at THU have been pouring through the combat logs for hours.
We'll get screen shots and analysis of the accuracy/dmg PDFC's members
brought to the table *as well as what they would have had to do to get it* as soon as it's all sorted and itemized. Get ready for a good laugh, guys!
The only thing we're laughing at is how desperate you guys are to try and pin down another team cause you guys lost. As far as "what they would have to do to get it", well you guys would know cause you guys were there also ;-).
quote from gabby:
I'll be honest, I stopped caring when people stopped wanting to actually fight. I'm not big on wasting my time counting a clock for the hell of it.
I agree gabby, that's kinda how we felt last weekend =).
another quote from gabby:
I couldn't agree with you more. You can ask the rest of THU,
I'm really disheartened that we even have to consider playing dirty just
to stand a chance anymore. We've only ever played (and won) by the rules.
Actually I dont agree with you on this one. The first time PDFC fought THU climbing the ladder, we beat you while YOU guys were using the cheats that we didn't know about till after. And now you guys are calling foul on something you guys started and used against teams that didnt know about it (us) and actually beat you without it (us). GG's!!
obs again:
I couldn't agree with you more. You can ask the rest of THU,
I'm really disheartened that we even have to consider playing dirty just
to stand a chance anymore. We've only ever played (and won) by the rules.
and obs yet again:
Neuronia, I apologize for the harsh comparison but right now you're
reminding me of one of those people who tells a battered wife to shut
up and stay with their physically abusive husband because blah blah blah.
That's all it is, just blah blah blah. Don't stand up for what's clearly wrong.
If you really want to know where our issues were before now, they were at the tip of our tongues and we bit them.
OMG LOL. well it REALLY doesn't sound like you "bit your tonges", but w/e.
So now you attack other members of the PvP community for making
an objective comment that isn't one sided in your favor?
Good sportsmanship guys!
I'm glad we put your faces in the ground for a 2nd time in a row.
And that middle match where you guys immediately flew to the top
of a building and drew a sudden death, at which point our team just
exited from the match, what a fail. At least when we went to the
top of a building, we got kills first :0D. Epic fail guys!!
Point is, you guys were beat fairly, and unfairly on our end, and
can't take a loss like good sportsmen/sportswomen.
You can hate us, be angry at us, disappointed in us, love us, w/e.
If you can't take the heat, get out of the PvP kitchen!!
And one more thing, we NEVER set maps specifically; they were
always random. And we NEVER started a match witout TS and
HD on. Just another example of your guys unsportmanlike
conduct and unfairly taking out your frustration on us because
you guys can't handle a loss.
Personally, I look foward to beating your candy a$$'s in a lvl 50
ladder/league in the near future.
GG's!!
@PiP3R
So after the challenge post, pst's were sent back and forth and
originally we agreed to a match sat. night at 10pm eastern becuase
that's what was asked by THU.
This was the time I informed the team of.
Then, I get an offline tell late thurs night saying that fri night
would actually be better for them (THU); after we agreed to sat night
and I informed the team.
Unfortunately we weren't able to get 3 ppl on since they thought
the match was sat. night like originally agreed to.
So then fri night we agreed that we would have the match sat. at
10 pm eastern.
So here we are sat. night 10 pm eastern and THU isn't here.
It gets better.
I pst one of their members asking where they are, and they reply
that they thought the match was midnight eastern on sat.
BUT, not only did they think that...
[Tell] HlghIy UnIlkeIy: the time that i stated .. i was under that impression for 3 days now .. no changes that i know of
...apparently they thought for 3 days now.
The lack of communication and back and forth is frustrating.
It's bad enough that THU can only play at 2 specific times on the weekend. One time being at like 7am central (wth), and the other time
is actually 10 pm eastern (the reason why the match was scheduled at that time).
So out of good sportsmanship we kindly decide to wait another 2 hours for them. And now its 12:30 pm eastern, and only one of them is here.
We can't keep being asked diff times and then they not show up.
We have pics and chat logs of this night if there are any questions
about what happened.
We're asking for a DQ and credit for the win plz!!
Again, we've waited over 2 1/2 hours for them and still nothing.
Our team has been patient and accommodating enough.
DQ plz!
Please clarify your position on this request to see yourselves disqualified. Your team as a whole appears to express drastically different expectations of reality based on which shoe is on what foot, and I'm all about consistency. Let's see equal treatment for the whole shoe-foot spectrum of possibility. I'd be fine with both teams catching a DQ. That sounds fair, doesn't it?
Seriously, though? Disqualification? Your whole post just sounds so desperate, cheap and... and... sleazy