If they would work on a Shield melee powerset, it would not be exclusive for stalkers for sure.
It would be for the 4 melee archetypes. The devs need to maximice the use of resources.
And that leaves shield charge out of party as attack.
Sounds dumb.
Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
It can't be stalker exclusive. Everyone will want it. Few other issues.
1. Shield Block is at too early a level to be able to do a parry-like power.
2. We can't do shield throw for 2 more reasons.
1. We can't throw costume parts which means once the shield leaves the player it becomes part of the power system. Only way for it to work is if the set forced players to only have one default shield.
2. City of Heroes would get sued for copying Captain America.
3. Final issue is shield bash, which is already in Shield defense.
My overall issue with the set is a shield is for defense mainly, not offense. And what stealthy person would carry something as clunky as a shield if they were being subtle?
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Originally Posted by Vexen777
It can't be stalker exclusive. Everyone will want it. Few other issues.
1. Shield Block is at too early a level to be able to do a parry-like power. 2. We can't do shield throw for 2 more reasons. 1. We can't throw costume parts which means once the shield leaves the player it becomes part of the power system. Only way for it to work is if the set forced players to only have one default shield. 2. City of Heroes would get sued for copying Captain America. 3. Final issue is shield bash, which is already in Shield defense. My overall issue with the set is a shield is for defense mainly, not offense. And what stealthy person would carry something as clunky as a shield if they were being subtle? |
2a. True, but it doesn't mean you can't just throw a colorable effect that looks like a shield. It's not a perfect solution, and you're right in saying the shield has to stay on your arm, but it could work.
2b. Nope! There's a ton of reasons why that wouldn't happen, and a ton abilities ingame already that would be far more infringing.
3. True. Unless Shield Defense isn't ported to Stalkers (and if the proposed Shield Melee is, why not?), you can't have an exact duplicate of the same power. It's why /ice Stalkers have Icy Bastion instead of Hibernate.
Anyway, it looks kinda cool. I don't think there's much that could be done unless, like I suggested with the shield throw ability, the effects for the power use a colorable "holoshield" or some sort of projection similar to what Dual Pistols does with its tier 9. It'd just be a bunch of punches with a shield attached, which you can already do with Super Strength, MA, KM, and Street Justice.
Though, this would probably be better off under the Suggestions forum at any rate.
Really? You want to give Stalkers a shield that badly, you'd go with the idea that, you're attacking people from the shadows with a shield?
Do you just try to hit the on the head really hard for the Assassin Pummel?
Also since it would be made available to Scrappers will we beable to dual wield shields?
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eh... worth a try 
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Q.Really?
A.Yes
Q. You want to give Stalkers a shield that badly, you'd go with the idea that, you're attacking people from the shadows with a shield?
A. Yes
Q. Do you just try to hit the on the head really hard for the Assassin Pummel?
A. I picture more of an uppercut with the Shield.
Q. Also since it would be made available to Scrappers will we beable to dual wield shields?
A. No
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If they didnt sue CoH for having Metal Claws then hitting someone with a shield is no big deal. It has been done since shields have been invented. That is why the Viking shields had spikes in the center of them to be used as an offensive weapon as well as a defensive.
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Originally Posted by Vexen777
2. City of Heroes would get sued for copying Captain America.
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Originally Posted by Big_Soto
If they didnt sue CoH for having Metal Claws then hitting someone with a shield is no big deal. It has been done since shields have been invented. That is why the Viking shields had spikes in the center of them to be used as an offensive weapon as well as a defensive.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRZ22UCnMNk
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Only if you can have shield/shield. Herp.
But really, I still don't see how shield melee would work for stalkers if shield defense doesn't work. Should just petition shield defense for stalkers.
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Shield Defense doesn't work for technical reasons, this being an offense set avoids those problems specifically Phalanx Fighting,Grant Cover,and Against All Odds.
Though I think Phalanx Fighting and Grant Cover are non issues now considering the Team based crits and the changes coming in I22. That just leaves AAO which might also be a non issue now considering the toggle suppression when Hidden.
hmm...seems the Stalker changes have actually removed most of the problems with Shield Defense.
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Exactly. Shield defense should work well with Stalker. They modified Willpower for Stalker too. They didn't give it to Stalker mainly because they don't want Shield to be the only secondary with a good aoe attack. I don't even think theme matters that much when it comes to /Shield.|
Originally Posted by DMystic
Though I think Phalanx Fighting and Grant Cover are non issues now considering the Team based crits and the changes coming in I22. That just leaves AAO which might also be a non issue now considering the toggle suppression when Hidden.
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I will kill to have Shield Charge on my martial arts stalker. :P
Can you imagine having several /shield Stalkers to start the fight? Grant Cover works even before the fight begins! Each Stalker gives each other good +defense. I don't understand how some people say /shield doesn't work with stalker??? It works extremely well if you ask me. They just need to modify one power the way they did for Willpower.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
I have seen an episode of Samurai Jack where he dual wields shields, it was pretty awesome 
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Originally Posted by Big_Soto
If they didnt sue CoH for having Metal Claws then hitting someone with a shield is no big deal. It has been done since shields have been invented. That is why the Viking shields had spikes in the center of them to be used as an offensive weapon as well as a defensive.
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And it was partly for the ability to clone Wolverine in the game, as well as many other reasons.
The problem isn't with hitting someone with the shield. Shield Charge and the Brawl animation with a shield out are both examples of doing that.
It's throwing your shield that raises the trademark issue. Many characters over the years in any media you can imagine have used a shield, and hit people with it. But when you start talking about throwing a shield, there is only ONE character that comes to mind: The one that would be sued over. It is a lot more trademark infringing to copy a character's signature move than it is to make it possible to copy their appearance.
And that's on top of game engine limitations that would make it impossible or at least highly difficult to pull off.
It would probably be a pointless lawsuit that they probably wouldn't win, but now that Marvel is owned by Disney they have a LOT more money to give lawyers for frivolous things like this.
And if they decide to do an MMO of their own, a good opening salvo would be to make life difficult for the strongest competitor by filing a trademark infringement lawsuit.
Would they do it? Maybe not, but why should the devs invite it?
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I really want to play a shield stalker, but the concept of shields do not work with stalkers defense concept. Would this be a bad idea if stalkers had Shield melee? I bet the idea has been mentioned before; however I could not find it. Listed below is my Shield Melee for stalkers.
1. Shield Jab - Melee, Minor DMG, Foe -To-Hit (Smash), Foe Disorient (A quick jab with your shield to the ribs of your foe will leave your target gasping for air and in the process reducing their to hit for a couple attacks.)
2. Shield Block - Melee, Moderate DMG (Smash), Self+DEF (You can use your shield to parry incoming melee attacks. The attack itself does moderate damage, but every successful hit will increase your defense against melee and lethal attacks for a short while.)
3. Shield Smash - Ranged (Cone), Moderate DMG, Foe -To-Hit (Smash), Foe Knockback (Using your shield, you can smash it to the ground, quaking the earth itself. Shield Smash unleashes a cone of earth debris that clouds your targets vision and lowers your targets to-hit for a short time.)
4. Assassin Strike - Melee, Special DMG (Smash), Combo Builder (A signature Stalker attack. This attack does moderate damage on its own as a frontal attack. However, if it is executed while you are hidden, this attack will do tremendous smashing damage, as you waylay your unsuspecting foe.)
5. Build Up - Self, +Dmg, +To Hit
6. Placate - Ranged, Foe Placate, Self Stealth/Hide (Allow you to trick a foe to no longer attack you. A Successful Placate will also hide you. This Hide is very brief, and offers no Defense bonus, but it will allow you to deliver a Critical Hit or an Assassins Strike. However, if you attack a Placated Foe, he will be able to attack you back.)
7. Shield Toss - Ranged, High DMG (Energy), Knockdown, Foe DMG (Throwing your shield over a short distance. Shield Toss deals high damage and can possibly knock down your foe.)
8. Shield Charge - PBAoE, Superior DMG (Smash), Foe Knockdown, Self Teleport (You can throw all of your might behind your shield and charge through ranks of foes in the blink of an eye. Using this power allows you to teleport to a selected area to deal significant smashing damage to all foes in a long cone in front of you; most foes that are struck by your Shield Charge will be knocked down.)
9. Shield Blow - Melee, Extreme DMG, -DEF (All) (Smash), Foe Hold, Knockup (You can perform a Shield Blow on your opponent. This punch with your shield does Superior damage and has a great chance of disorienting your target and lowers their defense.)
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