New Computer Opinion

With one small problem.

Remember, just because the numbering schemas are similar, that you take a performance hit dropping back to mobile components.

Now, if a mobile workstation that you can't upgrade appeals to the original poster, sure.

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It's funny how people that quote your posts and refute the very statements you made like TJ, Ironblade and Erhnam are somehow saying things you never said they did. They are quoting your posts and replying directly to the very words you used so it's obvious you said those things.

I've even enlarged the font of one line in your post above that is the very point they are refudiating, so you've again said the very thing they are replying to. How are they saying things that you claim you didn't say?

Even when Aggelakis paraphrased your comment, it was still using several of the words and phrases you used. Here's Aggelakis' paraphrase as she posted it:

Was that a valid paraphrase? Well, let's look at your post again since you seem to have forgotten what you said.


I enlarged your words so you can see them easier. So how far off was Aggelakis' paraphrase to your exact words? We'll break it down into small pieces to make it easy for you to see.

"Dell is terrible" seems to be a valid interpretation of that last paragraph, especially the two sentences I enlarged the font on.

"don't buy Dell" seems to be fairly close to being word for word on the first sentence I enlarged and also seems to be a reasonable interpretation of the last sentence of your post.

Even though some of them didn't quote you, I notice that some other posters don't share your opinion of Dell. While not a ringing endorsement of Dell, their comments certainly don't make the claim that Dell is known for making substandard gaming rigs.

Father Xmas said:

Bill Z Bubba said:

Just in case you weren't aware of it, the XPS is the Dell system.

Father Xmas and Bill Z Bubba are two well respected tech oriented people here on the forums.

Hyperstrike is very knowledgeable about tech issues, as are half a dozen or more people I can think of just off the top of my head. Hyperstrike said this about Dell:

Of course, the system that he then recommends would cost about the same if getting an XPS system and selecting the options that make it a gaming system. I think I could come close on the pricing with an XPS system to what he priced from iBuyPower using similar or the same components. But I'd have to sit and play on the Dell site for a bit to know for certain what the price would be.

Ironblade, Chad Gulzow-Man and Aggelakis are all respected posters on the forum and I've seen nothing in their posts that indicates they didn't read or understand exactly what you said.

Psychic Guardian is the only one I can see that has made a post disagreeing with Chad's assessment of Dell's customer support, which was not something you brought up, based on their own experiences.

I've not had the same experience they did when I called Dell's Technical Support line, but they are least giving the basis for their comment.

As for my qualifications about technical issues? Well, I'm also employed as a computer tech. I work with Dell computers daily and have few hardware issues with them. I work with a few HP systems and several systems built by our techs over the years. We switched back to Dell systems for the reliability and excellent support we are getting, including next day parts when the computers are under warranty. It's still fast service when they are out of warranty and we need parts, but not next day service.

Personally, I own two Dell computers and have recommended several Dell systems to friends and co-workers. My 10 year old Dell laptop is still running strong and the only things I've done to it were upgrades of my own choosing, such as going to a bigger hard drive and a faster wireless card. It won't run City of Heroes with all the pretty graphics like my desktop does, but that's more to do with the graphics updates that came in Issue 17 and the lack of driver support for that old of a mobile video chipset. For everything I use it for, it's still a perfectly fine system. When it ceases to handle what I need it to do, I'll likely buy another Dell.

I've not had one bad experience with any of the Dell's I've bought or that I've recommended to others. Most of the problems I've run into were either a software issue that had nothing to do with Dell or were resolved with a simple driver update, again, not something specifically to do with Dell.

But I guess since I quoted you in this post I'm one of the ones that's saying something you never said about Dell.

Good people there, and the higher-ups tend to do stuff for the workers, from what I've seen.

I occasionally deliver food there

That's just it, you CANNOT get the same components on an XPS machine.
The GeForce cards on XPS top out at GT 545 and the Radeon at 6770. These are low-to-midrange gaming cards.

A 560 Ti will run away from these cards in a heartbeat. The 570 spec'ed in the iBP/CPPC systems will simply stomp it into the ground like a level 1 defender trying to solo level 54 Arachnos at x8.

You could cheap out and just get "the basics". But then you'd wind up having to go back and spend out more money on third party component. Worse, you'd have to wait for the stuff, then hope it'll all work together without buying MORE things (like a beefier PSU).

Oh yeah, and that voids your warranty.

At that point, you may as well have bought the iBP/CPPC system and been done with it.



Dell is fine, mostly, if you don't care too much about the platform they give you. Dell does "an office full of basic clone machines" really well, and they can deliver decent "all around" computers cheaper than anyone.

If you're looking for specific hardware for a specific task (outside of the enterprise level server-grade stuff), in my not-so-humble opinion you REALLY need to look elsewhere. Dell won't provide what you want, and will charge you an arm and a leg for a machine that still can't do what you want.

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let me paraphrase that "WALL OF TEXT I WIN"

I just hope the OP can read between this to get some of the good computer advice. Or would any of you people like to stop now, and explain to the OP why they should spend over $2,500.00 for a very nice high quality best for the money purchase from Dell. Let me guess. No.

No. We (several people) already said that the computer mentioned is not a good choice.
And we STILL disagree with your sweeping condemnation of Dell.

When I said Do not but "that" from Dell. You must have heard me say Do not buy "ANYTHING EVER" from Dell.

Depending on the item , the deal price, and what you want Dell is a fine source for cheap moderately performing computers. i ran the city on a mid-line Dell (not well, but ran) with only a RAM upgrade.

But I stand by the statement not to buy high end rigs from Dell. You (seem?) to agree with me on that all the while saying you do not agree with me. "Texas Justice" seemed to agree with that at the end of his first response, after telling me I was full of Horse Hockey and attempting to belittle and mischaracterize my opinion. A number of other people in the thread seem to agree thatyou probably should not buy a high end rig from Dell, and yet seem to think they need to tell me how they do not agree with me.


I am simply pointing out a majority of posters agree not to buy a $2,500.00 rig for gaming at Dell. You agree with that? But you want to be clear that you disagree with me? yeah, this thread is hilarious. Thank you.

I stated Dell is not good place to buy a high end gaming rig specifically. You state this is a "Sweeping Condemnation" Therefore you do not agree with my statemnent.

Using this logic chain I offer up the conclusion Ironblade thinks Dell is a fine place to buy high end gaming rigs from. I do not understand why you think this. In fact, it appears that you are saying the one specific example listed is a bad choice. Let me ask, is that a sweeping condemnation from you? Help me understand....

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