Energy Aura? AWESOME?

The end drain portion of Energy Drain isn't useless when you up that difficulty.

Now, I'm not saying you've said it, but I find it odd that people will go on an on about +4/8 soloing,than use +1 level mobs to say the End Drain is useless.

Well, on those +4/8 enemies you'll find the end drain more helpful

Also, not every build has the AOE damage output to take out all the threats quickly.

EA has a Psi hole. You might consider this bad, untill you realize most sets do. Shield gets some defense in the way of positional defense, but no resists to it, and some psi attacks have no positional attachment.

EA is a well rouded set, that is easily made softcap, and comes with the added benefit of a self heal and end recovery.

It's DDR isn't great, most defense sets don't seem to be that great really. That seems to be the one thing that makes SR shine.

EA's (imo anyways) stealth is a joke however. because the mez protection toggle is also a taunt aura/enemy debuff aura.

So you have to toggle off the mez protection to use the stealth, which isn't 100% by itself to begin with (like all stealth toggles), but you now get left without mez protection.

And to the post in the beginning that said "You can take EA's stealth and a Stealth Proc and dance right in front of the enemies", well you can't with the mez protection toggled, and all those DA's can do the same thing.

A blaster with Concealment Pool: Stealth + Stealth IO can do it. Super Speed + Stealth IO can do it.

Something else that seems to be forgetten, EA can easily put in some +Psi Resist IOs into it's resist shields. Just with the EA powers alone, that's at least 9% Psi Resist, pick up Tough/Weave and that's 12%.

EA does have a real weakness in Toxic damage, but that's a pretty common hole as well.

My reply to a similar thing mentioned in the Brute forums:

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that would be nice but unfortuantly it doesent work that way, it WILL aggro enemies

And your reply would be wrong.

Maybe I'm just reading attitude that isn't there, but if there is, please bring down the hostility. I'm just pointing out how the effects appear to be intended to work. If they don't work that way, I would consider it a bug.

I say that because, well, what other reason would there be to have that tag exist if not to prevent the taunt and recharge effects from revealing you to enemies? Looking at how it functions, it's clear that that was the intended effect, so if that's not what's happening, then it's in need of fixing.

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Wasn't trying to be hostile. Was merely a quick reply. But I can see how it may be taken that way. Sorry!

My KM/EA is currently running Spiritual and haven't had the time to switch to Agility, which would explain why I'm not bottoming out end bars. I'm somehow doubtful one ED can bottom out a boss in Incarnate trials but let's assume you're right. It will still be relatively pointless without a -Recovery aura to keep them at 0, like kinaki stated. And like you have mentioned, the -Recovery Interface can help with this but that means giving up Reactive's -Res which lowers your DPS.

Why would stacking ED be a feat? After playing around in Mid's, I found out that 59% S/L defense is achievable without ED. All other defense types except psi are brought up to 59%+ with one ED with at least 3 mobs. All done without sacrificing "essentials" like Perma-Hasten. One ED, and you're good to go. Better to use that recharge to spam Whirling Smash more often.

My points above in this post and this argument just illustrates how many hoops /EA has to jump through before it can get in and start scrapping effectively like /SR.

The extra end redux isn't necessary end-game. Set slotting, Conserve Power, PerfShifter IOs, Numina, etc. take care of your end bar. I'm not sure what you meant by least interruption in attack chain but Energize's cast time (1.17s) ranks in the middle between Reconstruction (0.73s) and Healing Flames (1.5s). Calling something not awesome =/= bad.


What? I was just fighting the notion that it's the best secondary for scrappers. So you're right, EA isn't some godlike set like OP and some others seem to want to portray it as.

It's doing this on a Scrapper? I couldn't tell when I tested on my Brute because Fury breaks Stealth all the time.

It did for my EA scrapper. Why I shelved it. Is a stealth really needed, or all that important? No, not really. But when I have a stealth, I don't want to have to detoggle my mez protection just to make it work as intended. :/

End game for people that go this route, yes, you can find lots of routes for end recovery, not that you actually need to do that since EA has boatloads of end recovery in-set. Between the power EA and Energize, you really don't need to go out of your way in these manners to deal with the blue bar.

I only mentioned cast time because to get the greatest effect from the powers, you'll cast Recon twice per minute, Healing Flames 3 times and Energize only once. 1.17 < 1.46 << 4.5 I was just trying to say that perhaps not having to click the power as often as the others is a nice thing.




I must have missed where people said it was the best set.

We're both on the middle ground here but you're coming off as if you're going out of your way to be negative and downplay everything being said in favor of the set, that's all.

If /SR has to use a specific Destiny and epic pool (and give up some degree of offense/utility to do so) to make up for what /EA does out of the box, I don't feel it's /EA that's jumping through hoops to play effectively.
I agree, it isn't absolutely the best secondary. IMX, I just do not at all agree that /SR directly outperforms it, at any level of play, except in certain edge cases. Of course, depending on playstyle and what you like to do in the game, what I call an "edge case" might be what you call "the game", so YMMV.

I wasn't aware that it was doing that on Scrappers. That's not cool and something that I know we complained about possibly having to do back in beta while testing.

Damnit. you're gonna make me get off my lazy @ss and update that issues list now.

I don't think it is the best either. Best is very subjective, and relies a lot on play style. Mainly I agree with Fanboy, you do seem to going out of your way to be negative about the set. You seem to want to counter any positive that is brought up about the set, and I will continue to argue against that.

I did complain about it in beta. I was basically told by lots of people (not all) "Toggle of the Mez Protection if you want to stealth" or "You're a Brute/Scrapper, you don't need to stealth"

Now if it's been fixed I'd like to know, but when I ran /EA I was taunting enemies with the aura.

I think it was the first post.

/EA has to use one ED to reach the Incarnate soft-cap to all types (except psi/neg) which SR can maintain at all times. And say you want to make use of ED's drain to bottom out a psi/toxic mob's end bar. You can get your defense and their end bar taken care of in one swoop. But you still have to rely on Preemptive Interface's 75% chance for -Recovery for it to be effective. When ED's buffs are down, rinse and repeat as necessary.

/SR has Rebirth for when and if it gets hit, while running in without worry of damage types flying around. Giving up what utilities? They all get in the way of scrapping. Offense? The only one worth taking is Fire Ball, which requires 3 power picks, while Conserve Power requires only one.

Both sets call for certain build decisions beforehand but in the end it's /EA that's jumping through hoops. Every single fight.

Forgive my tone. I've already expressed that /EA is probably the best leveling set. It turned into an argument about cases end-game. /EA has many convenient tools in-set but I'll stand by my point that /SR flatout has much greater potential and fewer weaknesses considering IOs and Incarnates.

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