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And yet you insist on continuing this trend. I believe it was Reiska who said, and I quote "It takes two to tango". And I believe the person he was quoting also suggested we were both the cause of this.|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Other people acknowledged my mistakes? I seem to remember four people telling you that I have not insulted you.
And you tell me I'm dealing in absolutes when anyone who doesn't conform to your beliefs is the failure as a roleplayer? I really have to thank you. I couldn't make you look this bad if I tried. |
I also do believe my opinion has shifted from my original point, something you seem to be unable to compute. However, it doesn't change the fact that I have accepted that a GOOD and REASONABLY BALANCED alternative is acceptable.
Although, in the end? Your alternatives ARE empowered by the well. Paragon more or less reigned all alternatives in as being drawn from Human Potential, unless you believe Prometheus is lying. Which is possible, but given as it's our current lore, it's accepted.
If you're an alien? Your races 'Potential' is applied.
Robotic? It suggests you draw off your creator race's potential, but this is poorly explained so I do think robots are sort of up in the air.
If you don't like this, that's fine. It's your choice. But, and I stress this with my new opinion, if you can't at least reasonably explain your Incarnate-level power that ISN'T Incarnate Power, IE: you somehow also bypassed Potential Limits, with OUT making yourself out to be an Ascended, or otherwise excuse yourself from not being able to later take incarnate powers and be a Super Saiyan 2 Incarnate, then unfortunately, I do find you to be a bad roleplayer.
Do keep in mind, these requirements are now more explained and detailed. A bad roleplayer needs to commit a huge sin to be known as one. I've explained this altered (And original) viewpoint once before, and you chose to ignore it to continue on your warpath. Which is what you're doing, deny it at all you want. Again, two people called us both out. We're BOTH at fault for this.
Deny it if you need to, but ultimately the populace, in your own words, has decided. And, you're really boasting about me making myself look bad with out you even trying. You're not fooling anyone when you're being an obvious jerk. You need to stop with the little snippy remarks, they're not needed and if you expect my attitude to remain civil, you do, flatly, need to get over it.
People change. If you can't see that, maybe you are simply 'trolling' at this point, Dechs. What say you?
I'm going to avoid the absurdity a tad and just mention (in a complete open-for-discussion-for-everyone sort of way, with zero attacks and defensiveness) that I find it a bit odd to talk about the Incarnate Powers as something you have to flat out prove why the character can be so powerful... When my main example would be my Electric/Electric/Electric Blaster who gained Ionic Judgement, but could already release a much more powerful AoE of Electric devastation beforehand.
Some of it really is just... more powers/options for representing a character.
I'm not saying this as though each and every character can work quite so well into it, but I just don't see anything as absolute, especially not this stuff.
Why can my character do this or that at any given level?
I do agree that the Well has basically been used as a be-all of human (and possibly the universe's) potential.
So, it is there, whether we want to acknowledge it or not. I know others have mentioned this as well.
Whether the sentient aspect is something that is truly a part of it all, who knows... who knows how much will turn out to be true or whatever... But I just don't see anything within the Incarnate Powers currently available as rationally requiring anything beyond what we've already come to know and expect within the CoH universe.
Of course, I have zero problem with going along with the story either.
From my experience, thus far, it doesn't really change a whole bunch. I could succeed before and I can still succeed. Sometimes I use new options, but it hasn't been anything that I've felt slaps me across the head as requiring further explanation.
That's just my perspective on that line of thought.
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I wanted to explain my alternative, and I would have if I ever felt you had more desire than to just throw personal insults at me. Yeah, I shouldn't have kept responding to those. I apologize to the OP for the long thread derail.|
Originally Posted by Reppu
I also do believe my opinion has shifted from my original point, something you seem to be unable to compute. However, it doesn't change the fact that I have accepted that a GOOD and REASONABLY BALANCED alternative is acceptable.
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The alternative I had from the very beginning is for my main, a Bots/Traps mastermind. The threats to the world have been continuing to increase and he is doing what he's always done to stop them: Adapt. He saw people chasing after the well to defeat gods, but he remembered how he had handed Recluse his helmet. He didn't need godly powers to compete with gods, he needed his lab. Technology builds on itself, always growing faster. That is the power he relied on.
Now you can claim that it does indeed stem from the Well and the human potential. You could claim that some of the tech he uses "just shouldn't work." That can even be your character's interpretation of it. But my character refuses to acknowledge the Well as his source of power. It has always been his wit and his tech, and in his mind, he will continue on that path.
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I'd like to remind people that this is a guide. Not the discussion forum. You may have your opinion, and you're welcome to it--I have no issues with hearing them. But if you want to argue with others about what you perceive to be wrong with the premise of the guide, please do the respectful thing and do so somewhere else. Thank you.
I realize that this response is a bit late, but last I looked this thread was on page 2.
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And this, folks, is exactly the reason I made the guide.
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
I find it a bit odd to talk about the Incarnate Powers as something you have to flat out prove why the character can be so powerful... When my main example would be my Electric/Electric/Electric Blaster who gained Ionic Judgement, but could already release a much more powerful AoE of Electric devastation beforehand.
Some of it really is just... more powers/options for representing a character. |
Eh, I still prefer jwbullfrog's answer back on page 1 ("Don't take incarnate powers.")
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I just want to point out to people something about this god issue. We are not gods!
Talk to Prometheus again. He has some new information about a whole level above incarnates called ascension. He says he can help us ascend, but that will take the potential from every Human or something like that and he will not help us do that until the Coming Storm has been dealt with.
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This is just further proof that Prometheus is a judgmental crapsack. |
Originally Posted by Knight_Marshal
He says he can help us ascend, but that will take the potential from every Human or something like that and he will not help us do that until the Coming Storm has been dealt with.
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"You can have the weapon after the threat you need it for is defeated."
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This leaves us with one path...|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
This is just further proof that Prometheus is a judgmental crapsack.
"You can have the weapon after the threat you need it for is defeated." |
We must...kill Prometheus.
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Yeah, while I named the guide the way I did because of the more vocal complainers on the discussion threads, the fact remains that some people don't like the idea of tying some of the otherwise thematic powers to lore. It's good that some of that has been cleared up.
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Originally Posted by Knight_Marshal
I just want to point out to people something about this god issue. We are not gods!
Talk to Prometheus again. He has some new information about a whole level above incarnates called ascension. He says he can help us ascend, but that will take the potential from every Human or something like that and he will not help us do that until the Coming Storm has been dealt with. |
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Sign me the hell up. That big blue jackwagon needs a good killing. I swear, I can't get through a single page of his "information" about the trials without coming across a sigh, a snide remark, a quip or a "trailing off". Dude needs to man up or shut up.
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Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
This leaves us with one path...
We must...kill Prometheus. |
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"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."
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If that happened, it'd probably be as fulfilling and awesome as when we got to kill Statesman... You get to watch him die in a cut scene! |
Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
This leaves us with one path...
We must...kill Prometheus. |
My main is an Incarnate in character.
However, his Incarnate powers have absolutely nothing to do with his abilities in combat and the fact that he's able to go toe to toe with Incarnate characters with even and, perhaps, better chances of victory(every case is different, etc)
His ability in combat is based entirely around an advanced suit of powered armor, which has been painstakingly refined over the course of his existence as a character. This is what he uses to fight. His Incarnate powers are next to useless in combat. The reason he can stand up to an Incarnate is because his super-brain allowed him to design and refine a piece of technology to the point that it allows for that.
That being said, he's a huge wuss without the suit.
And you tell me I'm dealing in absolutes when anyone who doesn't conform to your beliefs is the failure as a roleplayer?
I really have to thank you. I couldn't make you look this bad if I tried.
Where to now?
Check out all my guides and fiction pieces on my blog.
The MFing Warshade | The Last Rule of Tanking | The Got Dam Mastermind
Everything Dark Armor | The Softcap
don'T attempt to read tHis mEssaGe, And believe Me, it is not a codE.