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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
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I won't play poker with someone who intends to win with a blackjack. |
And, I don't believe in any absolute rules... Including this one.
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Excellent way to put it, Dechs.
And, I don't believe in any absolute rules... Including this one. |
But the real thing here is that this isn't even an in lore absolute rule. We have seen in the lore where non-incarnates defeat incarnates. It happens.
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Thanks, EK.
But the real thing here is that this isn't even an in lore absolute rule. We have seen in the lore where non-incarnates defeat incarnates. It happens. |
Actually, my comment there about absolute rules was not about the Incarnate stuff. It was more of a ramble on my part, because I didn't see any value in adding to the ridiculous "discussion" of personal viewpoints turned into rules.
And by the words "Including this one", I was actually referring to my rule that "no rule is absolute".
Some rules that I believe in may be absolute... you never know!
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
I think Reppu's going about this backwards. He's railing against it out-of-character, but says he'd be dismissive of it in-character. I think OOC objections to stuff like this are spiteful and pointless, but in-character it's an interesting thing to explore.
So, a character claims the abilities in his Incarnate slots are not derived from the Well. My character thinks that's not possible... but why? Most of what we know about the Well and Incarnates comes from agents of Ouroboros, or from Prometheus. Ouroboros was founded and is led by a supervillain specifically known for his secrets and his far-reaching schemes, and the organization works openly with villains and even fast-tracks them to Incarnate power. Prometheus is very clear about how he's withholding information from us, and his motives are questionable. We have VERY good reasons, in-character, to think that what we know about the Well is incomplete, or even totally fabricated. That's a completely in-character reason to not immediately dismiss such notions.
But let's say we trust Ouroboros and Prometheus. Even if everything we know about Incarnate power is totally accurate and there's nothing more to the story, one would be totally justified in responding to claims of "I'm not using Incarnate power" with "Are you sure?" According to Prometheus, there is no such thing as power that doesn't come from the Well. And Ramiel and Lady Grey have told us that some Incarnates are not even aware of their connection. You don't have to laugh in someone's face to tell them this.
And even if our knowledge of Incarnates is complete and accurate, and this other character nevertheless really did somehow gain power completely unconnected to the Well, so what? That's not the Incarnate power we're seeking. Judgement and Destiny are cheap parlor tricks compared to the power we had in Ramiel's flash-forward, where the info on [Limitless Radial Freeeem] tells us our power is beyond comprehension. And that power was STILL not enough to turn back the Coming Storm. Maybe your faux-Incarnates are keeping up right now, but don't be too proud over turning your staff into a snake, you're still completely unprepared for the plagues that are coming*. The superhero business has always been about doing good things despite high personal risk; balking at some vague loss of freedom that can be prevented with proper self-discipline, when the planet is at stake, is both ridiculous and selfish.
Those are the ways I would consider objecting, completely in character, to anyone claiming they aren't an Incarnate. Out of character, I as a player have no objection at all to anyone explaining their powers however they want. In fact, I as a player might find such an exchange quite enjoyable.
*Please please please do not use this analogy to drag religion into the discussion. That was not my intent. It's just a really good metaphor for the situation.
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Actually, your characters would be insane. And in my opinion, strictly opinion, you would have failed as a roleplayer (for breaking the basic rule of 'Not breaking story for your own concept, IE; Eberronian in Faerun). At least use proper context when not flailing around like a chicken with it's head cut off, you silly!|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
I'm going to stop you right here. I have never once attacked your character. I invite you to quote anywhere that I have. My issues have been with your opinion and how you defend it, as well as how you have represented my opinion.
Your arguments are rife with ad hominem, false dichotomy, and straw man fallacies. Those aren't the only flaws your arguments hold. You are the one who opened your argument by calling me childish, a failure as a roleplayer, and insane. Among other insinuations. We're done here. You've shown your colors. I won't play poker with someone who intends to win with a blackjack. |
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"Again with the supposition that because I chose not to follow the Well of the Furies, I must therefor not unlock and slot incarnate powers. Nothing you can say will change the fact that I can demonstrate precisely how (that is to say, measurably) more powerful my characters are than yours. I don't need the arena to do it. I don't need AoE to do it. I can demonstrate how my characters are flat out better than yours. You can invoke all the canon you want, but if you cannot demonstrate your level of power, it really can't mean anything because I can just as easily say "my character found other ways to be as powerful as incarnates," and then flick your forehead and turn you into a newt." |
Or, basically, "You are wrong because you are inferior, I am right because I am superior. Therefor, you have no ground."
As a result, you are invoking ad hominem because EVERYTHING you have said, with those two paragraphs and a few lines, is entirely based off proving I am inferior through your own ego and my choice of roleplay.
If you didn't mean to come off as this, you failed PRETTY amazingly.
Pot. Kettle. Black. Etc.
Also, Texas Hold 'Em is a better game. Now go calm down, again. You're failing to keep composure and trying to hide your own flaws by twisting what I've said against me, and quite frankly it's really, very obvious. Just because I am not using a popular opinion does not mean you can use that against me. Which, again, is another failure of logic on your part.
If you don't think the above is ad hominem, fine. You're still a biggot and hypocrite, because I, at the very least, acknowledge that what people do in privacy is their own right. When they bring it public, they will be viewed as 'insane' if they think their powers are superior to incarnate-hood or if they are a Kheldian Who Isn't a Kheldian, or any other odd-ball concept.
Insane =/= Bad Roleplayer. Unless, of course, they're an Incarnate Who Isn't An Incarnate But Is Superior To Incarnates And Can Take Incarnate Power And Can Be Super Saiyan Incarnate and blah blah blah wow you're a waste of time today.
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You'd make a great politician. You contradict yourself, you use terms that you aren't 100% familiar with, you firmly believe what you're doing is the "right way" of doing it and publicly denounce people doing otherwise, and you have no problem sticking your fingers in other people's business with the belief that you're doing them a favor.
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
You'd make a great politician. You contradict yourself, you use terms that you aren't 100% familiar with, you firmly believe what you're doing is the "right way" of doing it and publicly denounce people doing otherwise, and you have no problem sticking your fingers in other people's business with the belief that you're doing them a favor.
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OOCly? Do what you want. I just don't need to accept it.
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Whatever you say, boss. Jump off the bandwagon already.
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Incarnates who aren't incarnates are mind-boggling, eyerolled at, or are just submitted for approval by the loony-toons mobile.
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OOCly? Do what you want. I just don't need to accept it.
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Heh, missed this one. If this was on virtue, I think I know who that was
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
So, a character claims the abilities in his Incarnate slots are not derived from the Well. My character thinks that's not possible... but why? Most of what we know about the Well and Incarnates comes from agents of Ouroboros, or from Prometheus. Ouroboros was founded and is led by a supervillain specifically known for his secrets and his far-reaching schemes, and the organization works openly with villains and even fast-tracks them to Incarnate power. Prometheus is very clear about how he's withholding information from us, and his motives are questionable. We have VERY good reasons, in-character, to think that what we know about the Well is incomplete, or even totally fabricated. That's a completely in-character reason to not immediately dismiss such notions.
But let's say we trust Ouroboros and Prometheus. Even if everything we know about Incarnate power is totally accurate and there's nothing more to the story, one would be totally justified in responding to claims of "I'm not using Incarnate power" with "Are you sure?" According to Prometheus, there is no such thing as power that doesn't come from the Well. And Ramiel and Lady Grey have told us that some Incarnates are not even aware of their connection. You don't have to laugh in someone's face to tell them this. |
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And even if our knowledge of Incarnates is complete and accurate, and this other character nevertheless really did somehow gain power completely unconnected to the Well, so what? That's not the Incarnate power we're seeking. Judgement and Destiny are cheap parlor tricks compared to the power we had in Ramiel's flash-forward, where the info on [Limitless Radial Freeeem] tells us our power is beyond comprehension. And that power was STILL not enough to turn back the Coming Storm. Maybe your faux-Incarnates are keeping up right now, but don't be too proud over turning your staff into a snake, you're still completely unprepared for the plagues that are coming*. The superhero business has always been about doing good things despite high personal risk; balking at some vague loss of freedom that can be prevented with proper self-discipline, when the planet is at stake, is both ridiculous and selfish.
Those are the ways I would consider objecting, completely in character, to anyone claiming they aren't an Incarnate. Out of character, I as a player have no objection at all to anyone explaining their powers however they want. In fact, I as a player might find such an exchange quite enjoyable. *Please please please do not use this analogy to drag religion into the discussion. That was not my intent. It's just a really good metaphor for the situation. |
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Don't know. Something about you, specifically, and Dechs flipping your lids because I had an opinion that didn't share the same visions as yours? That's why I'm posting still. Or are you saying just because I don't share the common opinion that I shouldn't be allowed to share it? Because that's entirely what you and Dechs have been going off about.|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Again, practice what you preach.
By you. I haven't met anyone else who does that. And we don't need to accept your views on our RP either, so why are you even posting about it? |
Because I do not share your opinion, you both have been singling me out. While my post was just a broad thing, an opinion against the norm, and nothing more.
If you're going to single me out for my post, that's fine. Do acknowledge you went out of your way, the both of you, to be confrontational. I've been defending my half of it with my own views and opinions, which you both have called me out against for not being the common acceptance.
If you do not like the opinion, as you have stressed to me so many times, DO NOT ACCEPT IT. Why you've posted thus far is simply an attempt to argue where an argument does not need to exist.
I do not approve of Incarnates Who Are Not Incarnates when there are no risks involved. If that path has risks, awesome. I'd love to hear about it. THUS FAR THAT HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE. All the power, none of the risks. SUPAMAN!!!
I do not approve of Kheldians Who Are Not Kheldians. That's all that is. A Warshade or Peacebringer who says they are is IC considered to be a little crazy, to say the least. It's dropped as quickly as it's brought up.
Private Storylines are awesome, but when you go into the public RP pool, you kind of should consider things in a public manner. When your Super Awesome Incarnate Who Isn't An Incarnate +100 is strutting their stuff, be prepared to be looked upon like that individual is insane.
Regardless, I'm done with both you and Dechs attacking my opinion because you either 1) Did not like it or 2) Felt it was singling you out. Because neither case is VALID for OPINIONS to be attacked.
Get over it, both of you. You're being childish and bullying because you're not happy. I have never once grabbed anyone's posts from the get-go and rip them apart.
Yes, I do think people are bad roleplayers if they must break lore over their knee for their concepts in a public setting. I should clarify IN A PUBLIC SETTING.
Yes, I do think people are bad roleplayers if they are an Incarnate Who Is Not An Incarnate and is a superior, non-risks individual. That is a lame Mary Sue/Gary Stu and is an embodiment of bad roleplaying.
Yes, I do think people who RP Kheldians That Aren't Kheldians are bad roleplayers because that takes a MASSIVE dump on the lore and foundation of the ATs.
End of the day? Opinion. Don't like it? Cool. Don't get confrontational about it and then paint me as the villain because you don't like that I think differently than the popular (two page) opinion.
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Originally Posted by Reppu
Don't know. Something about you, specifically, and Dechs flipping your lids because I had an opinion that didn't share the same visions as yours? That's why I'm posting still. Or are you saying just because I don't share the common opinion that I shouldn't be allowed to share it? Because that's entirely what you and Dechs have been going off about.
End of the day? Opinion. Don't like it? Cool. Don't get confrontational about it and then paint me as the villain because you don't like that I think differently than the popular (two page) opinion. |
Again, you are not the lore police, you are not the RP police, and you are not the opinion police.
If opinions REALLY DIDN'T MATTER, you'd have done as you've told us to do: ignore and move on.
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But I DO respect your choices. As a player, I OPENLY EMBRACE originality... UNLESS it dumps on a setting. While I still respect that choice, I do not need to accept it ICly. And I DO disagree with anyone who shoves off the Incarnate Lore for being 'poorly written' or 'against my concept'. That story isn't finished yet, of course it's going to LOOK like a mess.|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
You can't ask us to ignore your opinion and method of play, then openly say you will happily laugh in our faces if given the chance. If you want our respect and blissful ignorance of your choices then you should at the very least offer the same.
Again, you are not the lore police, you are not the RP police, and you are not the opinion police. If opinions REALLY DIDN'T MATTER, you'd have done as you've told us to do: ignore and move on. |
This is why you gently mold it, very, very gently. You make it work for you, with out totally abandoning it. When you abandon a MAJOR element of the current story arc and setting, yes. I strongly feel that individual is a bad roleplayer, but I respect that decision because, let's face it. Poorly written or unfinished content is hard to work with.
Opinions do matter to those who express them. When one's opinion is attacked for not being popular, they will defend it. But, the problem lies with the attacker, not the defender. If you do not like someone's opinion, express it with out getting entirely confrontational. When I posted saying I disagree with the OP and those that agree with them, I did not MEAN to start a war. That was just a poor side effect.
I was simply expressing my opinion on the topic, and that was all. A freedom of speech, if you would. Both you and Dechs violently disagreed with me, and this is where we are now; subtle or obvious insults and jabs being slung.
This? This is poor debate, and I hate when it goes this route. Perhaps I could have worded my original post better to try to 100% NOT insult anyone, but I don't regret having my opinion or what I have said, because I expressed my feelings. I DO regret the fight that erupted, I DO regret offending you, and I DO regret charisma-breaking Dechs. But I do not regret having my opinion.
As such, I do strongly apologize for the confrontation turning as ugly as it did. I would have loved if a more spirited and well-mannered debate would have come from it, but let's face the facts;
1) My original post could have been worded a little more carefully to avoid pissing anyone off, although we all know that it being the unpopular opinion is part of why it got attacked.
2) My apologies for pointing this out, but you and Dechs did strike the first aggressive, rude, and confrontational blows. Should you both had also chosen to word yourselves a bit more carefully, this never would have happened and we'd probably be better off and having a much friendlier conversation or debate.
Alas, we've each made a mistake. Regrettable, but it's where we stand now. I'm sorry for offending you both, as a person to people. But, I do not feel bad about my opinion not meshing with yours.
I am certain you're both splendid RPers (I've been subject to one of Dechs 'parties' before, it was enjoyable), and have no quarrels with you unless you are one of those "SUPA NON-INCARNATE NO RISK HAPPY HAPPY" types. Then, well. Eh. Setting. Bent over knee. Whatever.
That's all.
Apology accepted.
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"SUPA NON-INCARNATE NO RISK HAPPY HAPPY"
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I've seen more than my fair share of roleplayers who go "I am Incarnate with out Incarnate, no risk of death if I'm cut off! HOORAH!" and the like, which is the thing I'M MAJORLY against. If you can explain your 'alternative' and make it's growth and risk comparative to the Incarnate Line, that's cool.|
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Apology accepted and I offer my own.
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Although arguably you're still tied to the Well or your races own version of it, that's more lore stuff.
I have a friend who does an "alternative incarnate". I'll post the details if she wants sometimes. It's an example of 'acceptable', to me.
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The most important thing is; a well thought out and explained weakness comparable to an Incarnate being 'cut off'; IE Dead.
I believe that if you don't want your character to have the POWER LEVEL of an Incarnate, you don't need to RP having incarnate powers. Many of my characters have the power level (around) the level of Spider-Man or Captain America; them having the Cosmic Cube infused into their flesh would take them to a power level that doesn't fit them. Instead, the incarnate abilities can be played - instead of PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWERRRR - as extensions of their normal abilities or connections.
For example, a Captain America-style character I have (very classic hero, tights/cape/AMERICA motif) doesn't have Incarnate powers. He's not powerful enough to. However, he CAN call on a Longbow cataphract and nullifier if he's in a tight spot: his Lore pet. He doesn't summon a defeated Longbow "essence" from the Well, because that barely makes sense even when NOT paired with his concept.
However, if you roleplay having Incarnate level powers, you should be able to back that up through game mechanics (yes, heresy, stone the wretched unbeliever). If you can solo Recluse without incarnate powers? Go ahead and say you can beat up an Incarnate, or at least a "fast-track" one - although I wouldn't suggest running around telling everyone that you defeated Recluse.
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Basically; well thought out, well explained, realistic risk. Anti-Matter has done the same 'style' of thing, so it even has canonical backing for how powerful and dangerous anti-matter and related power sources can be. The most important thing is; a well thought out and explained weakness comparable to an Incarnate being 'cut off'; IE Dead |
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Generally that's what I try to do. My current pet project, Azure Watcher, is undergoing treatments with an experimental super soldier serum that's giving him his powers AND his incarnate abilities. The serum is in him; if he ever tries to flush his system of it it'll rip his genetic structure to shreds.
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If you can explain your 'alternative' and make it's growth and risk comparative to the Incarnate Line, that's cool.
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I'm probably just too exposed to the ho-hum dead-drum RP of Pocket Derp, and where people flex their god-levels of power too much. That likely perversed me initially, in all of this.
You both offer very good and, while briefly explained, thought-out alternatives.
And not quite kryptonite, Brenn. Just, all powers have a weakness, as the Incarnate Path does itself. If you're cut off, you die. Supposedly, going by lore. Who knows if that's true.
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I'm probably just too exposed to the ho-hum dead-drum RP of Pocket Derp, and where people flex their god-levels of power too much. That likely perversed me initially, in all of this.
You both offer very good and, while briefly explained, thought-out alternatives. And not quite kryptonite, Brenn. Just, all powers have a weakness, as the Incarnate Path does itself. If you're cut off, you die. Supposedly, going by lore. Who knows if that's true. |
And yes, Pocket D can spoil you in terms of RP. Honestly, any characters "fighting" or somehow comparing power levels should be a pre-determined, cinematic part of a storyline and/or simple, friendly sparring. Bringing ego and competition into the equation only results in "I HIT YOU" "NUH UH" arguments from textfights, or "YOU JUST SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON YOUR BUILD" arguments in RPPvP.
@Amarlex in game, on the Virtue server.
It memory serves, yes.
And yes, Pocket Derp. Ugh. ;P
And we all know that a Technology Origin character gets his/her Endurance Enhancement bonuses from a WetWare Eng Cyberheart...
And their Fear powers are improved via Benedict Tech Facial Reconstruction (It works through masks and helmets, by the way).
Unless they are VIPs and craft their own enhancements... Then they craft Glimpses Of The Abyss or Efficacy Adaptors out of spell inks, scientific theories, alchemical gold that they loot or buy off of the market... Maybe some nevermelting ice or Clockwork bits... It all depends...
Anyone who doesn't adhere to this clearly-established-lore gets laughed at and posted onto my wall of shame.
And, of course, heroes and villains alike can only use certain powersets because of Dr. Brainstorm and his Resonance Manipulator! Adhere or be mocked, silly wrong-doers!
And, quite clearly, all activity within AE missions is entirely a virtual reality simulation, courtesy of Dr. Aeon and his wonderful company.
No one should ever even consider taking the missions within the AE as ICly REAL. It is make-believe, fake, virtual reality, super video games for our characters...
And I ICly laugh and mock all of the characters (being role-played horribly, horribly wrong) as though the AE missions are somehow part of the true reality. HAHAHA... the AE is a big IC video game and nothing more. Anyone who does it differenlt is wrong. And wrong is wrong and will be called out for it ICly.
It's really not difficult at all to put enough effort and respect into each and every interaction so that things can be understood, respected and mutually enjoyed.
Taking one blanket stance on your own perceived barriers and dishing that out on others ICly or OOCly only demonstrated one's own inabilities.
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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And we all know that a Technology Origin character gets his/her Endurance Enhancement bonuses from a WetWare Eng Cyberheart...
And their Fear powers are improved via Benedict Tech Facial Reconstruction (It works through masks and helmets, by the way). Unless they are VIPs and craft their own enhancements... Then they craft Glimpses Of The Abyss or Efficacy Adaptors out of spell inks, scientific theories, alchemical gold that they loot or buy off of the market... Maybe some nevermelting ice or Clockwork bits... It all depends... Anyone who doesn't adhere to this clearly-established-lore gets laughed at and posted onto my wall of shame. And, of course, heroes and villains alike can only use certain powersets because of Dr. Brainstorm and his Resonance Manipulator! Adhere or be mocked, silly wrong-doers! And, quite clearly, all activity within AE missions is entirely a virtual reality simulation, courtesy of Dr. Aeon and his wonderful company. No one should ever even consider taking the missions within the AE as ICly REAL. It is make-believe, fake, virtual reality, super video games for our characters... And I ICly laugh and mock all of the characters (being role-played horribly, horribly wrong) as though the AE missions are somehow part of the true reality. HAHAHA... the AE is a big IC video game and nothing more. Anyone who does it differenlt is wrong. And wrong is wrong and will be called out for it ICly. It's really not difficult at all to put enough effort and respect into each and every interaction so that things can be understood, respected and mutually enjoyed. Taking one blanket stance on your own perceived barriers and dishing that out on others ICly or OOCly only demonstrated one's own inabilities. |
Extremely well put, E-K.
edit: Well, I agree with the message, that is. Not the sarcastic bits.
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It memory serves, yes.
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Never saw nothing about getting cut off and dying.
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Cool of you to admit and (yeah, I never play in Pocket D and am not exposed to that stuff) this is why blanket, absolute rules are a very bad thing to have.|
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I'm probably just too exposed to the ho-hum dead-drum RP of Pocket Derp, and where people flex their god-levels of power too much. That likely perversed me initially, in all of this.
You both offer very good and, while briefly explained, thought-out alternatives. And not quite kryptonite, Brenn. Just, all powers have a weakness, as the Incarnate Path does itself. If you're cut off, you die. Supposedly, going by lore. Who knows if that's true. |
For every lousy player, there are great ones and you shouldn't hold them to limitations based on what the poorest player can handle.
Those are just my thoughts.
That is also why some people, myself included, will take your initial statements as wrong. There are plenty of people who can make things work maturely, properly, reasonably, collaboratively and cooperatively.
Laughing and mocking strangers, based on the limitations of the worst offenders, will only really cost you the fun of meeting and playing with great people.
Again, just my opinions on the matter.
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
I don't know about 'great'. You've been giving that poor guy a seizure for years. That doesn't look fun at all!
Your arguments are rife with ad hominem, false dichotomy, and straw man fallacies. Those aren't the only flaws your arguments hold.
You are the one who opened your argument by calling me childish, a failure as a roleplayer, and insane. Among other insinuations.
We're done here. You've shown your colors.
I won't play poker with someone who intends to win with a blackjack.
Where to now?
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