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You can check out how I slot Eclipse here.|
Originally Posted by Black_Assassin
...Was brainstorming in mids and what you guys reckon of slotting eclipse with 2 acc/rech from perfshiter and efficacy adapters and 2 res/rech from titanium coating and aegis?...
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http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=266652
And, while I recommend that you read through the entire thread, you can find a rather interesting exchange I had with THB regarding the soon to be former way in which he slotted Eclipse.
I suppose that I will see you on Protector tonight. Have a nice one.
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Haha, I wish I could have seen it! |
Originally Posted by Black_Assassin
LOL still feeling delicate i drank way too much
 you should have seen me on a katie hannon i dont remember half of it just running around the first mish like a muppet Yh probs is i dont have any unslotters atm Was brainstorming in mids and what you guys reckon of slotting eclipse with 2 acc/rech from perfshiter and efficacy adapters and 2 res/rech from titanium coating and aegis? gives 53% acc 95.9% rech and 31.88% res means u can cap res with 6 targets at 89.05% res to everything |
Well, they are somewhat cheap, but I can understand money being an issue, so you can always just eat the loss. Nucleous HO's aren't very expensive anyways, so it's no big deal.
And yeah, I'll probably go with 2 from the resist set, and 2 from end mod set to frankenslot for acc/rech/res.
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And, while I recommend that you read through the entire thread, you can find a rather interesting exchange I had with THB regarding the soon to be former way in which he slotted Eclipse. |
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Im currently slotted with 2 nucs and 2 rech IOs was just planning ahead |
Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
Nucleous HO's aren't very expensive anyways
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Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
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So any new enhancements, changes to the game, people already know that nothing is going to convince them off making another respec on a character they continue to play. I suppose stubbornness or fear of respecifying or alternative builds that they might never have to respec.|
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Sure there is. I know people who have run the same builds on their mains for a long time and have no plans on changing them at any point.
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I only see the option of continuous improvement myself.
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Originally Posted by New Dawn
So any new enhancements, changes to the game, people already know that nothing is going to convince them off making another respec on a character they continue to play. I suppose stubbornness or fear of respecifying or alternative builds that they might never have to respec.
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This is essentially what I do for Eclipse, although I throw in a 5th slot for a common 50 Resistance IO. I also like to use the Acc/Rech/End Mod triples for Performance Shifter and Efficacy Adaptor so as to make Eclipse less of an endurance bar hit when dealing with Foe Starved situations where I can't saturate Eclipse as much as I might otherwise like.
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Originally Posted by Black_Assassin
Was brainstorming in mids and what you guys reckon of slotting eclipse with 2 acc/rech from perfshiter and efficacy adapters and 2 res/rech from titanium coating and aegis? gives 53% acc 95.9% rech and 31.88% res means u can cap res with 6 targets at 89.05% res to everything
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Here's what I'll be switching my slotting to with i21 (not considering whether or not I decide to work the Kheldian's Grace set in, just taking the HamiO change into consideration.)
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Level 50 Science Warshade
Primary Power Set: Umbral Blast
Secondary Power Set: Umbral Aura
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Shadow Bolt -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Absorption -- GA-3defTpProc(A), GA-ResDam(3)
Level 2: Gravimetric Snare -- GravAnch-Immob(A), GravAnch-Immob/Rchg(3), GravAnch-Acc/Immob/Rchg(5), GravAnch-Hold%(5)
Level 4: Orbiting Death -- Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(A), FotG-ResDeb%(13), Armgdn-Dam%(15)
Level 6: Shadow Blast -- Apoc-Dmg(A), Apoc-Dmg/Rchg(15), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(17), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx(17), Apoc-Dam%(19), GJ-Dam%(19)
Level 8: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(21)
Level 10: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(48), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 12: Sunless Mire -- Armgdn-Dmg(A), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(21), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(23), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(23), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(25)
Level 14: Dark Detonation -- JavVoll-Dam%(A), JavVoll-Acc/Dmg(25), JavVoll-Dam/Rech(27), JavVoll-Dam/End/Rech(27), HO:Nucle(29), FrcFbk-Rechg%(29)
Level 16: Shadow Cloak -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), SW-ResDam/Re TP(31), SW-Def(31), SW-Def/EndRdx(31)
Level 18: Gravity Well -- Hectmb-Dmg(A), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(33), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(33), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(34), UbrkCons-Dam%(34)
Level 20: Essence Drain -- GS-Acc/Dmg(A), GS-Dam/Rech(34), GS-Dam/End/Rech(36), GS-%Dam(36), HO:Nucle(36), Hectmb-Dam%(37)
Level 22: Stygian Circle -- P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(37), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(37), P'Shift-End%(39)
Level 24: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 26: Gravitic Emanation -- Amaze-Stun(A), Amaze-Stun/Rchg(39), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(39), Amaze-Acc/Rchg(40), Amaze-EndRdx/Stun(40)
Level 28: Unchain Essence -- Ragnrk-Dmg(A), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(40), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(42), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(42)
Level 30: Inky Aspect -- HO:Endo(A), Amaze-ToHitDeb%(43), RzDz-Immob%(50)
Level 32: Dark Extraction -- S'bndAl-Dmg(A), S'bndAl-Dmg/Rchg(43), S'bndAl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), S'bndAl-Build%(45)
Level 35: Stygian Return -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 38: Eclipse -- GA-ResDam(A), GA-Res/Rech/End(43), GA-RechRes(45), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(46), Efficacy-Acc/Rchg(46)
Level 41: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 44: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(46), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 47: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(48), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 49: Nebulous Form -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 50: Agility Core Paragon
Level 50: Reactive Radial Flawless Interface
Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve
Level 0: Portal Jockey
Level 0: Task Force Commander
Level 0: The Atlas Medallion
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Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Panac-Heal(A), Panac-Heal/+End(7), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(7), Numna-Heal(9), Mrcl-Rcvry+(9), RgnTis-Regen+(11)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(11), P'Shift-End%(13)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Dark Sustenance
Level 1: Shadow Step -- Winter-ResSlow(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 10: Shadow Recall -- Zephyr-ResKB(A)
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You're obviously percieving that I come to the forum to pick an argument and say things in all seriousness.|
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
Please stop trying to nitpick/pick fights with me. It gets old quick.
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I'll leave you alone.
Touchy.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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Originally Posted by New Dawn
You're obviously percieving that I come to the forum to pick an argument and say things in all seriousness.
I'll leave you alone. Touchy. |
Stop arguing with me about trivialities every time you post here and I won't have a reason to be touchy.
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Originally Posted by AIB
You can check out how I slot Eclipse here.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=266652 And, while I recommend that you read through the entire thread, you can find a rather interesting exchange I had with THB regarding the soon to be former way in which he slotted Eclipse. I suppose that I will see you on Protector tonight. Have a nice one. |
AIB your slotting still needs 6 targets to cap out your Eclipse, which I still think is silly.
Look at the last build I posted in this thread, it takes one extra slot for Eclipse but still caps resists with 5 targets and remains perma without alpha... And has decent accuracy values (though not as good as the accuracy values were with the Nucleos. Meh, at least I get an extra HP bonus now.)
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As one of my favorite authors has put it, "progress by its very name indicates a direction; and the moment we are in the least doubtful about the direction, we become in the same degree doubtful about the progress."|
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
AIB your slotting still needs 6 targets to cap out your Eclipse, which I still think is silly.
Look at the last build I posted in this thread, it takes one extra slot for Eclipse but still caps resists with 5 targets and remains perma without alpha... And has decent accuracy values (though not as good as the accuracy values were with the Nucleos. Meh, at least I get an extra HP bonus now.) |
Clearly, we have not, nor are we, progressing toward the same goal. As I have said a number of times, whenever one chooses for something one chooses against something else.
I ask, how often in your experience do you find yourself in a situation wherein you have only 5 targets on which to use Eclipse rather than 6? As for myself, generally speaking, I am surrounded by FAR more than 5 or 6 enemies.
Getting an extra 2.256 resistance per target hit, a little KB protection, and a minor end recovery boost, at the cost of using an extra slot, while still having less recharge than my four slottage, leads me to conclude that our priorities are quite different.
You mention your Eclipse remaining perma without alpha as though it is a selling point. Well, to move from the mature to the childish...Mine is MORE PERMA
.I like my build better. Evidently, you do not. Just know that if you ever want to repent of your Human only heresy and return to the Triform fold we shall welcome you back.
Oh and about that last thing...
Hami Rehab is on the Horizon
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Well the resistance value per target is an important thing to keep in mind for me because there are many times where I have only a couple of targets available to me, see: AV fights, Incarnate trials. It just seems best to me to cap resists off with the minimum amount of targets necessary.|
Originally Posted by AIB
Clearly, we have not, nor are we, progressing toward the same goal. As I have said a number of times, whenever one chooses for something one chooses against something else.
I ask, how often in your experience do you find yourself in a situation wherein you have only 5 targets on which to use Eclipse rather than 6? As for myself, generally speaking, I am surrounded by FAR more than 5 or 6 enemies. |
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You mention your Eclipse remaining perma without alpha as though it is a selling point. Well, to move from the mature to the childish...Mine is MORE PERMA .
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Haha yeah. I wouldn't be so bitter about it if I hadn't spent 5 billion inf. (probably more than the entirety of many of the builds posted in the Kheld forum) on two level 53 Nucleos, heh.
My preferred slotting for Eclipse:
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Accuracy: 42.40%
Level 38: Eclipse
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Endurance Modification: 42.40%
Recharge Reduction: 91.78% (pre-ED: 95.40%)
Resistance: 54.16% (pre-ED: 57.38%)
Eclipse Debuff to Target(s) Throughput: -142.4% Recovery (for 10 seconds) and -46.99 Endurance
Eclipse Buff to Self Throughput:
- 17.34% (11.25%) Resistance and +35.6 (25) Endurance
- 34.69% (11.25%) Resistance and +71.2 (25) Endurance
- 52.03% (11.25%) Resistance and +106.8 (25) Endurance
- 69.37% (11.25%) Resistance and +142.4 (25) Endurance
- 86.72% (11.25%) Resistance and +178 (25) Endurance
My preferred slotting for Light Form ... is either 2 common 50 Recharge Reduction IOs (if taking the 3 Resistance toggles to supplement) ... or ...
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Resistance: 56.13% (pre-ED: 60.88%)
Resistance Buff to Self Throughput: 81.97% (52.5%) (ie. 3.03% shy of Resistance Cap)
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damn some of those io's are a few million in market all though you can prolly buy them in the paragon store as a set for a few hundred points
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damn some of those io's are a few million in market all though you can prolly buy them in the paragon store as a set for a few hundred points
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A few million? Try a couple billion.
(That's for many single IO's in my build. Estimated market worth of the whole build is ~20-30 billion.)And no, the devs haven't committed the sacrilege of pay2win Purple/PVP IO selling yet.
couple questions to TwoHeadedBoy with regards to your build, is this a pure optimal build where i am at par with other ATs in terms of performance?
have you squeezed alot of this build and do you think the defense is good for you?
and is this the build you have previously mentioned while showing pics of fighting +4s?
reason im asking as i have made numerous builds for my warshade and i want to be sure before i go ahead and spend 30 billion on 1 build, i love my warshade and i would like to squeeze as much out of him as possible while maintaining good defense, overall good survivability and competitive damage output.
human only form i prefer tbh.
if this is not the type of build im looking for can someone please give me tips or pointers hell even a guide would be sweat at this point.
many thanks.
Sypher V.
Heya, many of your questions could be answered by reading the OP but I guess I'll entertain them anyways.
1. I think that I am beyond many others in terms of performance, but that has more to do with familiarity with my character and less to do with a build- Not that the build hurts... But the person at the controls is a factor that isn't discussed often enough.
2. Squeezed? I don't understand the first part of the question, but this is the lowest amount of defense I've ever run on a Human Form build.
3. This build can solo 54x8. I respec a lot, it's not the build I used to solo the level 53 AV (if that's what you're talking about) but it has the same attack chain and it's mathematically capable of doing so. I've been doing more end game content than working on solo feats lately.
4. I don't think you should use my build. I don't think anyone should use my build. It's not "optimal" in the typical sense, but it works very well with how I personally play.
Edit: If you're looking for an awesome guide to help you better acquaint yourself with the Human-Form Warshade, read AlienOne's guide. I helped him out with some suggestions/feedback/build approaches but he obviously did 99.999% of the work on writing an amazing guide, there's really not much I could tell you that isn't in there.
hey, thanks for the reply, i did read the OP but it just didnt explain as much and i didnt wana go thru a few pages lol.
my second question was ment in terms of have you completely gotten everything out of the build, such as dps defense, resistence and pretty much everything else.
im just trying to find a top tier warshade to play with as they are really good if slotted properly.
ill read his guide now thanks for the advice.
Been looking for this build for a while, I like how much defence you have - but are you not better off with less slotting in Health, and moving the 2nd slot in Absorbtion?
Thats just the first things that stood out - I am getting kicked out of work now so can't comment more yet.
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I am back home now and having another look at this, I swapped the 2nd slot in Absorbtion into Stamina, you get the same set bonus, plus a slight bonus to recovery from having Stamina better slotted.
I also would take the Numina: Heal out of Health, I cannot see the limited regen doing anything for you.
I had a look at your attacks, and I cannot see what you use for an attack chain because you only have 2 really spammable powers, and one is Gravimetric Snare - which isn't slotted for damage.
I am not trying to pick holes in your playstyle here (No mez prot kills human form for me)- just improving what parts of the build I can see can be changed without impacting anything.
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Heya, this wasn't a critique thread just so you know but that's alright.|
Originally Posted by PrincessDarkstar
I am back home now and having another look at this, I swapped the 2nd slot in Absorbtion into Stamina, you get the same set bonus, plus a slight bonus to recovery from having Stamina better slotted.
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Anyways, all that said, I did do another respec the day i22 launched thus going back on my "final build" promise, hah. I'm sure most of the people here saw that coming anyways since I can't help a good respec.
The original plan was to just pull my Nucleos in Eclipse out since they were rendered useless with the launching of this issue, but I ended up reverting to a variation of one of my old builds in the process. I figured I would want to be within the softcap of s/l/e/n defense with a small purple again for soloing Dark Astoria content (which I still haven't gotten around to) and I missed Provoke.
I'm not totally happy with this build and I'm sure I'll be making quite a few changes next time I feel like it's time to respec my Warshade, but as of right now this is what I'm running on live, except the hamio's are 53's and there's a catalyzed form empowerment IO one slotted in Bolt so with res toggles it actually essentially caps s/l/e/n resists with just 2 Eclipse targets.
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Sorry I can't help but make comments if I see an IO that I think would be better off elsewhere, no issues doesn't mean no room for improvement |
Originally Posted by TwoHeadedBoy
The attack chain is the one I use on most of my builds, G Well>Blast>Drain>Blast. Not sure what you mean by "spammable powers," the recharge of the chain works out just fine. Gravimetric Snare is a control power, not an attack.
Do you not know about Clarion? And why were you looking to change things? I don't remember saying I was having any issues with the build. |
No offense meant. I read about this build the other day and have been searching for it, because I could never get human form to work well enough.By spammable powers I just meant that without using Grav Snare you would have had times where you had no powers to use (Or at least no attack powers). I know Grav Snare is a control power, but I would have still slotted it as an attack if I was having to use it often. Though personally I think I would have just slotted up the first attack instead. Thats style though - not a criticism.
I actually forgot about Clarion when I made the above post (Just been back 2 days - not up with everything yet) so it is more appealing, I might even break mine out of storage again using your build as a base.
I will take a look at your newest build tomorrow, hope you don't mind if I look for improvements? It's just what I do
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Quiet you.
Also, you may want to look into enhancement unslotters, if you can make do with the same amount of slotting, it'll be easier than yet another respec.
Yh probs is i dont have any unslotters atm
Was brainstorming in mids and what you guys reckon of slotting eclipse with 2 acc/rech from perfshiter and efficacy adapters and 2 res/rech from titanium coating and aegis? gives 53% acc 95.9% rech and 31.88% res means u can cap res with 6 targets at 89.05% res to everything
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