All of the Patron Powers crit properly with single target attacks havign a 100% crit from Hide/Placate and the AoE's having a 50% chance to crit.
Stalker APP's IIRC do not properly crit at all using the Scrapper chances to crit, however Fireball from the Fire APP gets a 100% Crit from Hide/Placate.
So what are the chances to crit for the APPs? I am not familiar with the actual crit rate numbers for scrapper ancillaries.
10% for Boss rank and higher
5% for all others
I'm not entirely sure on the numbers for Stalker APP though, I just know they don't crit properly.
I went ahead and asked someone else that knows more about this than I do and sent them a link to here.
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Check out City of Data. The lines regarding 'kMeter' are the Stalker-specific crits from hide, if it says "If source.kMeter > 0". The lines regarding "source.arch" are the Scrapper-specific chance for crits, if it says "If source.arch == class_scrapper".
Comparison examples using single-target attacks:
-- Soul Mastery > Dark Blast
-- Blaze Mastery > Fire Blast
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Fireball is frickin' sweet from Hide, that's pretty much where my knowledge on the matter drops off.
Unless they have fixed it recently, 3 out of 4 Epic sets do not critical at all - Weapon, Darkness and Body.
Blaze Mastery not only has critical, its Fireball (aoe) has 100% critical chance!
The funny thing is I PMed Synapse about this a while back and he said he didn't see any "critical value" assigned to any of Stalker Epic sets.
So, the gist is that I think even the devs are confused right now. I have submitted bug report on this issue at least 4 times and PMed dev about it. Hopefully they can fix it soon.
I didn't test it long enough to see if Body, Weapon and Darkness follow Scrapper's rules (5% minion and 10% higher ranks). I know I played with them for a while on test server and I did not see any critical damage (not from hidden, not from placate and not from natural critical). I believe what Synapse saw is for these 3 sets but not for Blaze Mastery.
He did say Epic sets are supposed to critical, just like the Patron sets. Some wanted to argue that maybe Stalker's Epics are not supposed to critical. Well, they are wrong. Critical is a huge part of Stalker's mechanism. This is like Corruptor/Controller not getting Scourge/Containment.
PS: What I am curious about is if Scrapper can score critical with Patron sets?
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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PS: What I am curious about is if Scrapper can score critical with Patron sets?
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I would expect that the Stalker changes in i22 include going over the APPs since they'll have to adjust things to add Assassin's Focus, so they may fix the critical issues then.
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I don't know if this is still possible, but I used to be able to score crits on my Defender with Soul Drain.
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Oh..Scrapper is currently enjoying Stalker's based 10% + 3% per teammate. Cool.
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Yes, at the Stalker (10% + 3%/teammate within 30') rate. This is either tied (at the worst) or better than what the critical rate should be for Scrappers.
I would expect that the Stalker changes in i22 include going over the APPs since they'll have to adjust things to add Assassin's Focus, so they may fix the critical issues then. |
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
I thought I saw a thread a little while back that said not all of the ported APP's give Crits from hide. I've been messing around in Mids with Claws/Ninjitsu/Weapons as an all out ninja. Would like to know the details on all the APP-PPP crits if someone could point me in the right direction I would appreciate it.