Alignment Issues: No 20 Hour Cool Down Period with TIPs Mission.


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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike View Post
NCSoft and Paragon Studios are businesses. Not charities. They give you one way of earning it in game. Not convenient enough for you? Pay them money.
Exactly. Limiting you to 5 tips/day means you can earn only one alignment merit every two days from tips. Now that they're selling rare IOs for real money, they have a very good reason to drag out getting alignment merits. And to the devs' credit, you aren't forced to spend real money to get those things. They're completely optional.

But people need to remember that the five/day limitation is per character. VIPs can have more than 150 characters at no extra cost. If you want, you can spend all your waking hours running tip missions to get more than 75 alignment merits each day. Not all on the same character, true. But since you can send recipes to other characters, the only real limitations of the system are changing alignment and the speed with which you can get ultra rare recipes.

VIPs also get 400 or more points per month to spend as desired. Which means your instant alignment change, when it become available, will be available at no extra charge if you choose to use your points for that.

You can't fault the company for taking advantage of people who cannot curb their own impatience and lust for power. As someone who desperately desires to become a villain, the OP must surely understand that .


 

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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike View Post
No it's not. There's rationale there. YOU simply don't subscribe to it because it's inconvenient for YOU.

The devs didn't want players flipping back and forth between alignments at will when the system first started.

Now, with F2P, they're going to monetize that desire. You can either spend 4 days flipping from full hero to full villain (or vice-versa), or you can pay real money for an alignment change token which will accomplish the same thing instantly.

Its inconvenient for everyone attempting to change alignments.
The devs never promised you "convenience".
And they've SPECIFICALLY said that they didn't want players simply flipping back and forth at will (now likely modified to "without paying for it").

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What the hell are you talking about .
YOU do not care for the reason for the way this is set up.
So YOU act as if there was no reason.
I gave you the reason.
You still do not like it.
So YOU act as if there is still no reason.

I tried to keep it as monosyllabic as possible to limit confusion for you.

So, in the future you have two options for changing alignment.

Free: You pay no real money, but it takes 2 days.
Not Free: You can pay real money and rights RIGHT NOW.



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Yeah, you are trying to convince me that a 20 hour forced restriction is good in a game and fun....you're a real Einstein. Ride the short bus ever ?
No, I've only said there's a valid reason for it when you've insisted otherwise.

But since you're reduced to personal insults again, you're on your own.


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'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
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Yeah, you are trying to convince me that a 20 hour forced restriction is good in a game and fun....you're a real Einstein. Ride the short bus ever ?
No. Nobody said it was fun.
Nobody even said it was "good for the game".
It simply IS one of the mechanics in the game to limit accumulation of Alignment Merits.

To drive traffic to the alignment system, they put in several rewards for participating.

  1. 50 Reward Merits on first affirming your alignment (Hero or Villain).
  2. 1 Alignment Merit on reaffirming your alignment (Hero or Villain).
  3. A power tied to an alignment on a 7 day delay for all alignments.
  4. The ability to change sides (Rogue and Vigilante).

To prevent people from milking the VERY valuable AMs, they put a limit on how many tip missions count towards your Alignment movement in a day.

They also put a limit on how many tip missions you could hold.

They also put a limit on how many tip missions could be earned in a 20 hour period.

About the only one that wouldn't be detrimental to remove would be the last one.

Being rude and curmudgeonly on this won't change anything. All it'll do is stop people from interacting with you.



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lol this guy. Trollin' again?
Nope, this thread is staying alive via a team effort right now. I say let it die. If he'll let it.


 

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How about they just give a 20 hour cool down period for the alignment merits only, but still allow you to play an unlimited amount of tip and alignment missions?

You know, like how there's a similar cool down period for Emperian merits? Between those times, alignment missions can just earn your standard Reward Merits (with diminishing returns on them if they must insist)....

Just a thought.


 

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How about they just give a 20 hour cool down period for the alignment merits only, but still allow you to play an unlimited amount of tip and alignment missions?

You know, like how there's a similar cool down period for Emperian merits? Between those times, alignment missions can just earn your standard Reward Merits (with diminishing returns on them if they must insist)....

Just a thought.
I'd say that, since Paragon are going to be selling Alignment Change tokens, the point's pretty much moot.



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How about they just give a 20 hour cool down period for the alignment merits only, but still allow you to play an unlimited amount of tip and alignment missions?

You know, like how there's a similar cool down period for Emperian merits? Between those times, alignment missions can just earn your standard Reward Merits (with diminishing returns on them if they must insist)....

Just a thought.
Thanks for recommending a sensible change.


 

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I'd say that, since Paragon are going to be selling Alignment Change tokens, the point's pretty much moot.
I don't see why it would be a moot point. There are still people who like doing tip and alignment missions as much as possible.

Like myself, LOL... but the cooldown never bugged me. I have way too many alts.


 

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Thanks for recommending a sensible change.
You mean this one?

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I would prefer it if the rewards had a cooldown but not the missions.


'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.

 

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I don't see why it would be a moot point. There are still people who like doing tip and alignment missions as much as possible.

Like myself, LOL... but the cooldown never bugged me. I have way too many alts.
Yeah I agree. Hyper is being silly and saying that no change should be made cause we can pay for it at the store. He bought the money swindle, hook line and sinker.

I would rather run TIP missions too if I could back to back rather than have to drop 15 bones on it.


 

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Yeah I agree. Hyper is being silly and saying that no change should be made cause we can pay for it at the store. He bought the money swindle, hook line and sinker.
Having more and varied choices is always a good thing. Why can't we have both? Let us have alignment tokens available at the store, and also let us have no cooldowns on the amount of tips we can get on a single character. Let the cooldown be for the alignment merits only; just alter the reward mechanic for alignment missions. The precedent for doing so is already there in the Incarnate trials.

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I would rather run TIP missions too if I could back to back rather than have to drop 15 bones on it.
Indeed. I would not waste real money to get such a thing, either. Still, I think having the choice to do so is good for those who would.


 

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Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven View Post
Having more and varied choices is always a good thing. Why can't we have both? Let us have alignment tokens available at the store, and also let us have no cooldowns on the amount of tips we can get on a single character. Let the cooldown be for the alignment merits only; just alter the reward mechanic for alignment missions. The precedent for doing so is already there in the Incarnate trials.



Indeed. I would not waste real money to get such a thing, either. Still, I think having the choice to do so is good for those who would.
Yeah I agree that the token is another option and more options are good ,however, as you already know the token does not fix the issue of the anti-fun 20 hour restriction of the missions.

I just came back so I am not too knowledgable on the Incarnate system. Thanks for using it as an example for precedent.