Titan Weapons, what attacks to skip?

I'd skip crushing blow.

Skipping arc would be a bit silly.

Well I like Titan Sweep for an extra AOE and for bruising, also while my character is Invul I do like the extra smashing resistance.

Sounds like I can drop Crushing Blow and move my -Res proc from it into Rend instead...

I wouldn't skip it regardless, unless I had enough recharge to alternate whirling smash and arc of destruction. This game practically caters to people with loads of AoE.

Yeah I meant Defensive Sweep.

On another note, since I am Invul should I slot invincibility with to-hit buffs too?

I think maybe we're talking about different things here. I don't mean it's skippable in the sense of "not worth taking". Titan Sweep is absolutely an attack worth taking. Rare is the build that can't use another AoE, after all. When I say it's skippable, I mean you can skip it and still do alright if you just don't have an extra power or slots for it. And I say that because with my own build (which does have Titan Sweep), I found it progressively less useful as I gained levels, and on teams. Between Whirl, Arc, Rend, and Follow Through, I rarely can use it before one of my better attacks recharges, especially since Whirl and Arc and those pesky teammates tend to wipe out the nice clump I would've used it against. I can only imagine this would be even more true if I also had Defensive Sweep and had to use it to put up Bruising. On the other hand, mine is a scrapper; a tanker would be more likely to have enemies still standing after Whirl and Arc.

Can you expand on this statement? Outside Momentum, Crushing Blow's DPA is exceeded by Rend and Follow Through; during Momentum, CB is second to last above Defensive Sweep, although only barely behind TS or WS. Procs and Interface should cause TS and WS to pull further ahead of CB in terms of DPA. However, I haven't yet figured out just how best to fit the attacks together in a coherent chain, perhaps there is a feature of this that makes CB better? It does have the fastest animation outside Momentum, so is it the best for starting each cycle with? Or is the ability to slot another Achilles proc enough to give it the edge?

Okay after looking at it more closely and (rather shoddy) testing I think you're right, at the very least you're right in that it is not as superior as I thought it was.

This is what I have been currently using -- (and I lead with RA for the 7.5% -res in addition to achilles heel proc, I could be wrong about this being the best way to go though)
Rend Armor momentum builder attack chain: RA[long]>FT>AoD>CB>FT repeat

Build Momentum attack chain: RA>FT>AoD>CB>FT>RA>CB


However what I could be using is:

Build Momentum Attack chain: RA>FT>AoD>TS>FT>RA>TS (at this point momentum falls off just before you'd be able to use follow through again *tear*, thats super frustrating lol)

If using 2 titan sweeps in that attack chain instead of 2 crushing blows meant that I could use a 3rd follow through before I lose momentum I would say it's undisputably better, however you run out of time right before that is possible even with a gapless attack chain.

Alternatively I could use a BM attack chain that leads with FT instead of RA to get that 3rd FT in instead of a 2nd TS. Or I could use a BM attack chain with AoD as the first or second attack to get a second AoD in.


Uhh, sidetracked, was basically just writing down my thoughts as I beat on a pylon. It's too late for me to do maths.

I see what you are saying though, and tommorow I'll see if I can come up with higher dps without using CB by replacing CB with Whirling Smash or Titan Sweep. My Armageddon set(and proc) is in Whirling Smash so adding that additional purple damage proc to my attack chain could really help. (on that train of thought I also need to respec and move my Hecatombs out of rend armor and put them into follow through)

And while this doesnt affect my particular toon, it should be noted that using WS or TS instead of CB is more end heavy and requires more recharge.

And even if I totally remove Crushing Blow from my attack chain I still won't drop the power for Defensive Sweep. It is necessary for the S/L defense it gives via Kinetic Combats, since Titan Weapons only has 2 attacks that should be slotted with Kinetic Combats (the other ST melee attack should have hecatombs), it means you can only get 4 kinetic combat sets (the other 2 in boxing and brawl) in TW while still retaining your hecatomb set and not taking pool power attacks other than your tough/weave prerequisite, losing 1 of those 4 sets means no S/L softcap for me. Softcap is better than the 7.5% rchg that defensive sweep would give me.

Not unless you are slotting it with 2 Rectified Reticles for the Smashing/Lethal defense. Invince only gives 2% to hit per mob around you. So enhancing it to the ED cap will only make it 3%. Not worth the slots unles, again you are slotting for bonuses. If you are slotting Rectified Reticle, slot the To Hit one and the proc (Invuln doesn't have any +Percep powers, so it would be a nice thing to have, keeping [Smoke Bomb]s from making you lose all targets for a few seconds.)

It's a global, not a proc. Difference there.

Wonderful slotting for Invincibility is 2 Enzymes. It hits the Defense, ToHit and EndRdx in only two slots. (However, it is taking advantage of an exploit.) When you are surrounded by foes, that Defense really adds up.

Originally Posted by PapaSlade Rangle's right....this is fun.