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In short, yes, if they're common IO's - If they're duals, or triples, maybe not.|
Originally Posted by kchammy
If I slot 3 IO's that contain damage, and then slot an SO Damage....am I in ED territory?
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It is not 3 of a type that matters, but rather total enhancement percentage.
I'm sure someone will provide the appropriate P-Wiki link, but for Schedule A
enhancements (Acc, Dmg, etc) ED starts kicking in around 90% or so, and for
Schedule B, it's around 50% or so (loosely speaking).
So, to your example, if they're 3 common IOs (L25 or better) + an SO, definitely yes.
If they're L25 Duals (20% Dmg component), + an SO (3X20 = 60 + 33), probably yes.
If they're L25 Triples (17%? Dmg), + an SO (3x17 = 51 + 33), probably not.
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Yes.
The ED Threshold is based on the total value of Enhancement not related to the type of Enhancements.
The ED Threshold is a little less than 3 SOs worth of Enhancement. So about 99% for Accuracy and Damage and 60% for Defense and Resistance.
It doesnt matter if the Enhancement Value is from Slotting DOs, SOs, HOs or IOs or any combination thereof. If the amount of Enhancement you are getting from slotted Enhancement is equal to 3 SOs worth of Enhancement then ED is starting to bite you.
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Thank you. Let me give a specific example....not for you, but for me to understand...|
Originally Posted by FourSpeed
In short, yes, if they're common IO's - If they're duals, or triples, probably not.
It is not 3 of a type that matters, but rather total enhancement percentage. I'm sure someone will provide the appropriate P-Wiki link, but for Schedule A enhancements (Acc, Dmg, etc) ED starts kicking in around 90% or so, and for Schedule B, it's around 50% or so. Regards, 4 |
....and I should have specifeid "IO sets"....
Lets say I slot all 4 "Smashing Haymaker" in a melee power. As it happens, all four contain damage bonus. Then I slot an additional damage SO.
Your saying that ED wont ignore the extra damage SO unless it exceeds a percentage? Is this what they refer to as a "soft cap"?
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Originally Posted by FourSpeed
I'm sure someone will provide the appropriate P-Wiki link, but for Schedule A
enhancements (Acc, Dmg, etc) ED starts kicking in around 90% or so, and for Schedule B, it's around 50% or so (loosely speaking). |
Actually, ED starts kicking in at 70% for Schedule A, even more at 90%, and smacks down hard at 100% or more.
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Okay, assuming L35 enhancements, Smashing Haymaker adds 22.9% Dam for 3 of the enhancements, and 18.4% for one of them, totalling 87.1% enhancement to damage.
If you add an even level SO to that, you get another 33.3%, which would "normally" put it up to 120.4% enhancement.
However, ED reduces the effectiveness of any percentage past 70% for Schedule A (which Damage is), and the final enhancement bonus to damage of those equals 98.06%
If you only included the Smashing Haymakers, though, you would still be getting 85.39% Damage after ED. So that SO, which would be providing 33.3% Damage enhancement on its own, is actually only adding 12.67% - just over a third of its potential effectiveness.
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Well, it depends on the level.|
Originally Posted by kchammy
Thank you. Let me give a specific example....not for you, but for me to understand...
....and I should have specifeid "IO sets".... Lets say I slot all 4 "Smashing Haymaker" in a melee power. As it happens, all four contain damage bonus. Then I slot an additional damage SO. Your saying that ED wont ignore the extra damage SO unless it exceeds a percentage? Is this what they refer to as a "soft cap"? |
For instance with L25 (I happen to know off the top of my head), Acc/Dmg,
you have a 20% damage component in that IO.
I don't know the rest of the set pieces (here at work), so, if you also took an
L25 Bruising Blow Acc/Dmg, and a Pulverising Fisticuffs Acc/Dmg, you'd have
3 set pieces that give you 60% Acc + 60% Dmg.
If you add a straight Dmg SO (33%) to that, you'd have 93%, and off the top of
my head, I think you'd get some slight ED effects (you're right at the edge with
that example).
If those were higher level set pieces, you'd definitely be in ED territory.
No, that's not a "soft cap". Soft Cap is a very specific term that basically means
adding more to a value won't add effectiveness. It commonly applies to Defense
where there is always a 5% chance to be hit, so adding more defense at that
point won't help.
Accuracy is the same way - Once you are 95% to-hit a mob, more accuracy
won't benefit you. You are allowed to add more accuracy, but it simply won't
give you a better number than 95%, no matter how much you add...
Regards,
4
PS> One other fine point to recall about ED - it doesn't ignore the benefit, it just harshly
penalizes/degrades amounts above the ED threshold... Adding a 4th and 5th SO
*would* raise the damage, but only by a miniscule amount (far less than the SO/IO
or slot is worth)
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Sure could be. It depends on the values of the "3 IO's that contain damage".
If they're lvl 10 quads and triples and the SO is a lvl 25, then probably not.
But for most real world applications, yes.
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Perfect example, thank you...
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Originally Posted by Shadowe
Okay, assuming L35 enhancements, Smashing Haymaker adds 22.9% Dam for 3 of the enhancements, and 18.4% for one of them, totalling 87.1% enhancement to damage.
If you add an even level SO to that, you get another 33.3%, which would "normally" put it up to 120.4% enhancement. However, ED reduces the effectiveness of any percentage past 70% for Schedule A (which Damage is), and the final enhancement bonus to damage of those equals 98.06% If you only included the Smashing Haymakers, though, you would still be getting 85.39% Damage after ED. So that SO, which would be providing 33.3% Damage enhancement on its own, is actually only adding 12.67% - just over a third of its potential effectiveness. |
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Thank you for the definition of soft cap there...now I need to know what "hard cap" is...
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Originally Posted by FourSpeed
Well, it depends on the level.
For instance with L25 (I happen to know off the top of my head), Acc/Dmg, you have a 20% damage component in that IO. I don't know the rest of the set pieces (here at work), so, if you also took an L25 Bruising Blow Acc/Dmg, and a Pulverising Fisticuffs Acc/Dmg, you'd have 3 set pieces that give you 60% Acc + 60% Dmg. If you add a straight Dmg SO (33%) to that, you'd have 93%, and off the top of my head, I think you'd get some slight ED effects (you're right at the edge with that example). If those were higher level set pieces, you'd definitely be in ED territory. No, that's not a "soft cap". Soft Cap is a very specific term that basically means adding more to a value won't add effectiveness. It commonly applies to Defense where there is always a 5% chance to be hit, so adding more defense at that point won't help. Accuracy is the same way - Once you are 95% to-hit a mob, more accuracy won't benefit you. You are allowed to add more accuracy, but it simply won't give you a better number than 95%, no matter how much you add... Regards, 4 PS> One other fine point to recall about ED - it doesn't ignore the benefit, it just harshly penalizes/degrades amounts above the ED threshold... Adding a 4th and 5th SO *would* raise the damage, but only by a miniscule amount (far less than the SO/IO or slot is worth) |
If you happen to be using Mids Hero planner, it will show where ED has kicked in on any given power.
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Hard Cap is what you'd probably think.|
Originally Posted by kchammy
Thank you for the definition of soft cap there...now I need to know what "hard cap" is...
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Let's take Hit Points....
For a Blaster, the Hard Cap is 1606 - period.
Any powers that would Heal you or add to your total HP will not exceed 1606,
no matter what they are...
That is a Hard Cap.
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Rangle's right....this is fun.
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If I slot 3 IO's that contain damage, and then slot an SO Damage....am I in ED territory?