You want recharge, recharge, more recharge, and then some defense. Recharge itself can give you defense in the sense of making Moment of Glory and Shadow Meld (if you take it) come back faster.
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But how much is some defense? 22% to all positions enough?|
Originally Posted by Werner
You want recharge, recharge, more recharge, and then some defense. Recharge itself can give you defense in the sense of making Moment of Glory and Shadow Meld (if you take it) come back faster.
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I find most try to softcap S/L or go the route of Blade sets for softcapped melee.
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My SS/Regen Brute has 40% S/L defense. I did not bother with any position or other damage type. He's a beast.|
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I find most try to softcap S/L or go the route of Blade sets for softcapped melee.
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My BS/Regen Scrapper is in the 50s melee defense with one stack of Parry.
That plus MoG, works out very well for me. Still takes better reflexes than my EA or Shield characters, but the Regens have more tools to fall back on by far.
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With a sword primary, it is possible to soft cap all positions. But even then, the numbers show better survivability with ranged and AoE at 33% with more recharge and Rebirth instead of Barrier.|
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But how much is some defense? 22% to all positions enough?
I find most try to softcap S/L or go the route of Blade sets for softcapped melee. |
I don't know what's possible with other primaries, but I'd probably settle for 32.5% smashing/lethal and maybe low to mid 20s for other types. One small purple then soft caps smashing/lethal, and Shadow Meld soft caps everything with a little wiggle room. I suspect I'd put the rest of my efforts into recharge and any other build perks I wanted. I've not tried, though, so I can't say for sure.
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Mid 30s+ defense to s/l/e/n or melee/range is what I usually aim for with enough recharge for or as close to perma hasten as possible.
My Claws/Regen is built for 40% s/l/range defense, which put me at soft cap with barrier, and hasten at around 8 seconds down time.
But even on a longer hasten recharge and no barrier....
he does just fine
As Werner said, it will depend on your primary if it's Kat or BS. I like to go for e/n def cap and let parry cap lethal. 99% of smashing in the game is melee range, so parry takes care of that too. And the little bit that is range smashing will be like boulder tosses and are usually used then the enemie closes into melee, so you rarely have issues with smashing not capped. Then I add in recharge for MoG.
There are plenty of things that hit hard at range that S/L won't stop. If you can get S/L into the mid 30s or higher and E/N into the mid 20s, that's probably good. I haven't been able to do that to my satisfaction, but have gotten Melee into the mid to high 30s (35-ish on one build, 38-ish on another) and then ranged defense into the mid 20s and AoE around 20-22%.
I usually shoot for 60-70% recharge. I don't think I have less than 65% on any of my three Regens. (One's a Stalker.)
For Incarnate stuff, on a Scrapper, I always take Spiritual for the extra recharge and +heal, and usually Barrier, though some good arguments have been made for Rebirth. (On my Stalker I have endurance problems firing on all cylinders, so I either use Spiritual with Ageless or Agility with Barrier.)
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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I haven't tested it with /regen, but after crafting a t4 Ageless radial by mistake (meant to get the +rec branch, not the debuff resist one) and fiddling with adding ddr and -rech resist to my /DA scrapper I got to thinking that it might be an interesting thing to carry as an alternate on a /regen. Conditional to be sure, but against groups that can floor recharge, the rolling resistance might be nice to have.|
Originally Posted by Werner
With a sword primary, it is possible to soft cap all positions. But even then, the numbers show better survivability with ranged and AoE at 33% with more recharge and Rebirth instead of Barrier.
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Originally Posted by Werner
I don't know what's possible with other primaries, but I'd probably settle for 32.5% smashing/lethal and maybe low to mid 20s for other types. One small purple then soft caps smashing/lethal, and Shadow Meld soft caps everything with a little wiggle room. I suspect I'd put the rest of my efforts into recharge and any other build perks I wanted. I've not tried, though, so I can't say for sure.
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Never put much into it, but StJ looked to have some interesting options for slotting, but both of those toons are sort of in a holding pattern since I'm waiting impatiently for TW/ to drop before I start a spendy build on another character.
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I can't speak to the debuff resistance, as I haven't tired it. (I did think about it.) But especially on a Regen build that has Shadow Meld, Ageless is definitely interesting because it allows you to cycle MoG and Shadow Meld even more quickly. Especially if Ageless is available early in a fight, the immense +recharge boost if offers early means your first recycle of MoG come noticeably faster. (The optimal use assuming you can absorb the Ageless activation time is probably SM, MoG, Ageless, SM, MoG, etc.)|
Originally Posted by MayorOfAngrytown
I haven't tested it with /regen, but after crafting a t4 Ageless radial by mistake (meant to get the +rec branch, not the debuff resist one) and fiddling with adding ddr and -rech resist to my /DA scrapper I got to thinking that it might be an interesting thing to carry as an alternate on a /regen. Conditional to be sure, but against groups that can floor recharge, the rolling resistance might be nice to have.
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Since Scrapper (or Brute) Regen would not usually need the +recovery, the debuff resistance from the Radial side might be a more practical mix-in. The only downside is that the Radial side caps out at 90s duration.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
Like most of the other posters have mentioned, the primary is going to make a lot of difference in your build.
My /Regen runs Dark Melee, so I built for 27.5% to all positions, as much recharge as I could cram in him, a T4 Spiritual Alpha and a T4 Barrier to get his positions to 32.5%.
As much as this will be an admission that I am not pushing the envelope as hard as I should, with that setup I have run through tips and radios set for +3/1-2 and seriously only have to toggle up for the night (as in, not use Reconstruction, DP, IH, or MoG). Siphon Life keeps me topped off.
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build planned for respeccing based on forums but can i get some more specific advice. not sure about trying to get shadowmeld. thanks
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Primary Power Set: Spines
Secondary Power Set: Regeneration
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Blaze Mastery
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- (3) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge: Level 35
- (5) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 35
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- (A) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage: Level 50
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- (13) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
- (13) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50
- (15) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge: Level 50
- (15) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 50
- (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End: Level 40
- (17) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod: Level 40
- (17) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Endurance: Level 40
- (A) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff: Level 50
- (19) Adjusted Targeting - Endurance/Recharge: Level 40
- (19) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff/Endurance: Level 40
- (21) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff/Recharge: Level 50
- (23) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
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- (25) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
- (25) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge: Level 50
- (27) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50
- (A) Decimation - Accuracy/Damage: Level 40
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- (29) Decimation - Damage/Recharge: Level 40
- (29) Decimation - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 40
- (31) Decimation - Chance of Build Up: Level 40
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- (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range: Level 50
- (A) Doctored Wounds - Heal: Level 40
- (33) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance: Level 40
- (33) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge: Level 40
- (34) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge: Level 40
- (34) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge: Level 40
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- (36) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage: Level 40
- (36) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Endurance: Level 40
- (36) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Recharge: Level 40
- (37) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 40
- (A) Recharge Reduction
- (31) Recharge Reduction
- (33) Recharge Reduction
- (A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage: Level 35
- (37) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance: Level 35
- (37) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge: Level 35
- (39) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 35
- (A) Reactive Armor - Resistance: Level 40
- (39) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance: Level 40
- (39) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Recharge: Level 40
- (40) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge: Level 40
- (A) Recharge Reduction
- (42) Recharge Reduction
- (42) Recharge Reduction
- (A) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage: Level 40
- (42) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 40
- (43) Obliteration - Damage: Level 40
- (43) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 40
- (43) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge: Level 40
- (45) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 40
- (A) Endurance Reduction
- (40) Defense Buff
- (48) Defense Buff
- (48) Defense Buff
- (A) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage: Level 40
- (40) Positron's Blast - Damage/Endurance: Level 40
- (45) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge: Level 40
- (45) Positron's Blast - Damage/Range: Level 40
- (46) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance: Level 40
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed: Level 40
- (46) Reactive Armor - Resistance: Level 40
- (A) Accuracy
- (46) Accuracy
- (A) Accuracy
- (A) Accuracy
- (48) Accuracy
- (50) Recharge Reduction
- (50) Damage Increase
- (50) Damage Increase
- (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%: Level 30
Level 2: Swift
- (A) Run Speed
- (A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal: Level 40
- (21) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance: Level 40
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I back to trying to trying to improve my Regen's survivability. Messing around with the build, and I can't help but wonder, how much defense do I need to work into the build?
I would think it doesn't need to be softcapped, just enough to give it breathing room to click the heals or give them enough time to pop back up.
Is this correct? Will giving all the +RCH I can be the better way to go for the best survival?
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