DA is awesome on a brute, but heavy on the endurance, which bothers some people. People who think it's a bad set are a little something I like to call 'morons'.
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All of the pure resistance armors, save fire, are currently out of fashion. They're harder to softcap with inventions which means they take more damage and suck more asphalt when trying to tank for large teams - a problem that has plagued Fire Aura/x tankers for as long as I've played the game.
Dark Armor is one of my favorite armors, though (second to WP, and it was first *until* WP). I love being a mez bomb of doom and despair. I love the psychic resistance and strong resistances all around (well, not energy so much). I love the monster heal. I love damage auras. I even love the self rez (and before inventions were put in game you really needed to love the rez, as you'd use it frequently).
These days I still love all that. I also love the 30% to most defenses I sport. Combined with Darkest Night and I'm far more powerful than I was in Issue 8. And that was pretty damned powerful (not every brute could beat Lord Recluse as an EB on SOs).
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So keep some End Red's in the toggles, then take acrobatics, and I should be ok?
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Endreds in your attacks is more important, one endred in each toggle is good enough (40%ish, more for death shroud and if you pick it, Cloak of Fear).|
Originally Posted by Le Blanc
So keep some End Red's in the toggles, then take acrobatics, and I should be ok?
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Get 3 -KB IOs or at least one instead of Acro, /DA is heavy on the blue bar enough without it, especially since you'll want Tough and if you go for defense IOing, Weave too.
My Big problem with /DA for Brutes is that Oppressive Gloom will hamper your fury generation, and Cloak of Fear + Death Shroud = end bar destruction. I would pair it with an end light primary, and throwing end reduction in death shroud and CoF is mandatory (consider slotting Cloak of Fear with an accurate tohit debuff set rather than fear - Death Shroud will interfere with it anyways).
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
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This is completely false. If I can maintain full fury on a RWZ dummy that doesn't attack me at all, then Oppressive Gloom does not hamper fury generation.
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Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
My Big problem with /DA for Brutes is that Oppressive Gloom will hamper your fury generation
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That is a very poor argument to make, doubly so for someone who pretends to believe in math.
Reaching the maximum available is irrelevant to whether a particular thing hinders Fury generation or not, unless reaching the maximum available is exactly as fast with that particular thing as it is without that particular thing. Using one single and unspecified example as a "proof" doesn't make sense either, as fury generation can and will vary based on attack speed, which is determined by all kinds of different factors like level, primary used, power selection, efficiency of attack chain, and even player lag and reaction times.
I don't really care about the argument itself so don't try to derail this back to that, just attacking the faulty logic here.
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Fair enough. In that case:|
Originally Posted by Nihilii
Reaching the maximum available is irrelevant to whether a particular thing hinders Fury generation or not, unless reaching the maximum available is exactly as fast with that particular thing as it is without that particular thing.
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I have run my brute with and without Oppressive Gloom. If there is a difference in fury generation with and without it, it is too small for me to perceive or quantify. The initial volley of incoming attacks is enough to spike my fury regardless of the minion stun status, and my attacks maintain it from there. Keep in mind that the attacks from bosses and lieutenants are still coming through unhindered.
Things like Shockwave and Footstomp hinder fury generation more than Oppressive Gloom.
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Now that's a reasonable and fair argument I have no complaints with.
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That's good to know. On my dm/da scrapper I love OG, because it protects my scrapper AND the team since Shroud doesn't hold aggro, and it's not like I mind minions wandering because I only care about getting Soul Drain off, since DM doesn't have significant AoE. For a tanker it might be good to have even both, although OG might not make much difference.|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Fair enough. In that case:
I have run my brute with and without Oppressive Gloom. If there is a difference in fury generation with and without it, it is too small for me to perceive or quantify. The initial volley of incoming attacks is enough to spike my fury regardless of the minion stun status, and my attacks maintain it from there. Keep in mind that the attacks from bosses and lieutenants are still coming through unhindered. Things like Shockwave and Footstomp hinder fury generation more than Oppressive Gloom. |
On my claws/da and dm/da brutes I want to try CoF only because I want some attacks and that they stand still (especially the claws one), but at least it's good to know that if I 'suffer' too much with CoF, OG won't hinder me too much, no need to use it all the time anyway on a brute.
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True enough Dechs, but you know that this was one of the perceived reasons for DA being a "bad" set for brutes. |
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Fair enough. In that case:
I have run my brute with and without Oppressive Gloom. If there is a difference in fury generation with and without it, it is too small for me to perceive or quantify. The initial volley of incoming attacks is enough to spike my fury regardless of the minion stun status, and my attacks maintain it from there. Keep in mind that the attacks from bosses and lieutenants are still coming through unhindered. Things like Shockwave and Footstomp hinder fury generation more than Oppressive Gloom. |
That and the endurance thing with running CoF and debt schroud. This is also false as I can run both on my DA/Ice tank and it's not too bad. Yes, i will have to occassionally burn some blues, but I've had as big an end issue on many chars. Just remember to plan on end redux early in your attacks and you will be fine.
On the other hand, I don't think i'll try CoF on my Spines/DA scrapper. Something about 2.44 e/s unslotted and without fighting pool leaves me nervous.
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I'd be interested to see how Shockwave actually functions with DA. It's a very good alpha absober (solo anyway), so that should be a good combo with everything else claws brings.
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Originally Posted by Kioshi
On my claws/da and dm/da brutes I want to try CoF only because I want some attacks and that they stand still (especially the claws one), but at least it's good to know that if I 'suffer' too much with CoF, OG won't hinder me too much, no need to use it all the time anyway on a brute.
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The standard advice is if you can afford the slots fear is great. If you can't give it at least 5, skip it. Having use /dark on over 6 characters, I can say that the common wisdom is bang on the money. With the slots it is a great power. without the slots you do not want it. low accuracy, huge endurance.|
Originally Posted by Shadey_NA
On the other hand, I don't think i'll try CoF on my Spines/DA scrapper. Something about 2.44 e/s unslotted and without fighting pool leaves me nervous.
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But I always give it the slots because I hate mobs running away. Fear means after a few seconds they stop and cower. when they start again (if they're not dead) they run in a new, random direction. Sometimes that's right back at me. This is a huge benefit.
also, I'll chip in to say anyone who thinks either oppressive gloom or cloak of fear inhibit fury, possibly haven't played a brute since the fury changes and almost certainly have played a /dark brute. Like Dechs said, the first round of attacks will get you up there, after that, your attacks make sure it never drops.
Mine is axe/dark and with the knocks fear and stun he still has no problem with fury. None. And I suck as a player so it really is a case of if I can do it, and you can't there is something seriously wrong happening.
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I keep hearing about how some folks hate Dark Armor for Brutes. I was wondering if this was an "old" issue that might be fixed now, or if it was still a problem (if it even is)? I am loving my St.J/WP and for concept ideas wanna do a St.J/DA chick. But if it's really as bad as (some) folks say it is, I will tweak the idea and go StJ/Fire instead. I am well aquainted with Fire but, concept wise, DA fit better. Whats everybodies 2 cents?
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