Dev Chat Highlights, September 13: Happy Birthday VK, Here's Some Server Downtime and Issue 21! 2of2

Ow. Ow. Ow. This ended up being nearly 12 hours and 12,000 words worth of writing. Put in perspective that is somewhere between 10-20% of your typical novel.

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After 6 hours and 6,500 words we're back with Part 2.

Servers are going to be down past the 1:00 estimate, there's no ETA at the moment but Zwill have to go to a meeting. Zwill will have a guest host.

Lunch was finger sandwiches and potato salad.



Arbiter Bacon is here. So is Arbiter Whiteboard.

NightJester has drawn a creepy picture of Zwill.



They will be making more redside SF's in the future, more content for EVERYONE.

We have 200 named people in chat and 400 guests.

We have a mysterious 4th moderator, an actual Ustream mod by the name of Rockbuddy.

Tunnel Rat, her husband Leo, and Colin "Needs a Red Name" Brown all want to come on. TR will likely be taking over for Zwill.

Tunnel Rat arrives, and in rat fashion is admiring the sandwiches in Zwill's trashcan.



Colin also arrives!



Beastyle requests sparkly vampires.

They do have tech in place to make Granite Armor customizable, but as a result it won't look as it currently does.

Tunnel Rat has seen Galaxy Quest. She like the man-eating baby aliens.

CB calls them Rikti Monkies.

Path Aura/Regular Aura combo, they are looking into making it happen.

TR has seen Spaceballs.

Whip animations Colin did a whole set of and they threw half of them out and made new ones.

Colin did the animations for Rocket Board, Leo did the modeling. TR calls her husband Honey Badger because he doesn't like the name.

TR talks about her background, she went to art school and studied animation.

CB: "Waste of money."

TR: "Just go to a state program."

She sent applications to a billion places and Paragon responded.

Colin did a little bit of 2D, but he does all 3D now and donated his lightboard to the college.

"Chance to get fire blast from a wand?"

CB: "Do you want a Wand Blast Harry Potter powerset, or alternate animations?"

"Less weapons, less things in their hands make things easier. Which is why all the blaster alt animations came from the hand or the chest or the mouth."

There is not a lot of Photoshop used, they do make some textures. Usually TR jumps right in to the animation and particles. She says imagine a bunch of index cards telling them all to to scale, what color to be, how bright to be, etc.

She tries to do the most elaborate and visually impressive power first so she can use elements of it in lower tier powers/attacks.

Stream is being laggy, Zwill stops by to say it's because the patch is downloading internally.

Mastermind sets take forever, Blast sets take the longest of the rest typically.

They start with the Male animations, then have to do the female and huge from there, and then the flying ones, and then Shield, if applicable.

Kheldian power customization is not a priority at the moment, it's still on the table, but the effort required could be better applied elsewhere for better returns.

TR's most time consuming aura was the Atomic aura.

CB's hardest animation was Whip, he had to use a special rig to animate the whip itself. CB says he will burn down the building if he had to make it into its own powerset. Or dual whips.

CB: "IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!"

"Can we get a drunken emote for the Pinnacle server?"

TR: "We're T for Teen, so I suppose so. Would the stunned animation work?"

Animated hair is a no for PC's. It's possible on an NPC because of the limited animations, but with players situations go up exponentially.

TR and Swill in the background would buy a Flash Dance emote.

They cannot do two person emotes due to the way they have a kind of forcefield capsule around each character so you don't clip into each other. Which is why NPC's push you around on the streets.

BACKGROUND TANGENT: Tunak Tunak Tun and Chocaron being the catchiest songs.

Leo/Honey Badger couldn't make it, apparently. He's busy with visual effects.

CB: "Beast Run is an abomination unto mankind. We did it only because you wanted it."

TR: "IF you want to get into video game design, don't go into fine arts. Painting on canvas and drawing cuss words on orange skins will not help yiu get into video games."

TR loves blaster because they're the laughing maniacs of all the AT's, and she just tried a Brute and found it to be pretty amazing.

TR's first character was Emp/Elec, but found her Energy blaster to be more fun.

"Why can't you sit on some tables in Pocket D?"

CB: "You should be dancing! We've given you so many emotes, DANCE!"

"Will you add more objects into Propel?"

TR: "What ISN'T already in Propel?"

TR and CB are amazed to find that Propel has a forklift.

"What has been the hardest thing thrown at Animation/FX?"

CB: "Nothing! Whatever they threw at us we can take! WE ARE MADE OF MARBLE!"

Colin draws a rat on the Whiteboard.



TR makes a Granite Armor pun and opens the floodgates for puns in the chatroom.

If we buy Rocket Board we will get more things like it.

Chat is still making rock puns. I think the entire chat room is full of schist.

TR goes to draw a turtle on the white board. Zwill wants a turtle-rat hybrid.

TheNet is hanging around in the background.

Customizable MM pets is a possibility but not in the pipeline.



So is Freitag.

TR draws a smoking turtle.



Chat crashed/died, so Zwill is summoned.

TR is adding to the Zwill smiley face, a Zwillinger-Turtle-Rat hybrid on a rocketboard.



Beastyle can shout our questions across the divide between cubicles.

TR listens to the Off the Cape podcast, and confuses The Cape Radio for them.

"Powers firing from the chest?"

Colin would have to do animations and TR would have to go in and move the firing effect manually.

There are apparently going to be new powers and animations involved with the Signature Story Arcs.

Apparently Colin has done animations for some of the next Incarnate powers.

Colin erases Turtle-Rat Swill;s body and starts something new.

It takes about a month for Colin to do animations for a new powerset. TR's effects take 2-3 weeks, if there are no pets.

Colin drew a midget ninja on a rocketboard.



CB says Tunnel Rat is better than him at PVP.

Samuraiko's I21 vid is up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mP6ebB-6YI

"Customization for Super Speed?"

They said they could do like Beast Run and make some replacement powers, but it would be better to do full-on Power Pool Customization rather than have stopgap measures and workarounds. They want to do it right.

Emotes are pretty easy to do. Colin loves doing themes, like holidays.

I think powerset-themed costume change emotes are brought up, but since you can't tint them currently they don't want to do that. Maybe after pool customization tech is involved.

Hug emotes, see the forcefield capsule from earlier.

No bro fists or hugs.

Colin plays with things on Zwill's desk and has Tunnel Rat name them.

TR: "It's a nerf bullet, it's for shooting Black Pebbles!"

TR: "It... makes a loud noise and I don't like it!" (can of compressed air)

Team Animation/FX head off and Zwill returns to give us an update on the servers. Still no ETA.

Zwill is going to turn the Ustream over to someone else. Beastyle creeps in in the background and makes a goofy face and flees before I can screencap.

Zwill is making another dice roll for a shirt.

We have to sit through Zwill typing out a forum post stating there is no ETA.

Zwill has a Three Warwolf Moon, and two Hero Gear Kits, which have game time, a heroclix, and some CoH Collector's Edition cape/Slide power codes.

And as the give away happens the chat freezes.

TJMat2000 gets it with 143.

Apparently I was not the only one who crashed.

We have 330 named people in chat and 400 guests.

Zwill is going to download Samuraiko's I21 Trailer.

Zwill has found my post of the first 6 hours of this and is impressed.

Zwill wishes me a happy birthday. Zwill calls Avatea over to sing me Happy Birthday. She refuses since he mouth is full of bread.

Zwill used to work as a singing waiter.

Trivia is going to be dug up for I21, and the first person sending in the e-mail with the right answer will be the winner.

Oh god. He's going to sing Happy Birthday Operatic Style. In Italian. Possibly. He doesn't know if it's the true translation or not.

It was actual rather nice. Better than my grandfather's usual deranged warble that he uses.

Zwill says if the Ustream goes on much longer he might start taking requests.

Chat requests Zwill take his shirt off.

Zwill: "Oh good lord no. Definitely not. Not going to happen. Are you INSANE?!"

Zwill is watching Samuraiko's video to make sure there's nothing untoward in there.

The video is played. Zwill will turn the chat over to Beastyle and write some e-mails.

Reminder that the video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mP6ebB-6YI

Zwill turns it over to Beastyle and whoever decides to come over to keep him company.



We're joined by Beastyle and Freitag. Beastyle's hair is channeling the spirit of Wakka and Travis Touchdown.

Chat suggests that 7 de Coure and Avatea take next shift. Arbiter Bacon waves hello.

Freitag wanders off and TheNet materializes.





Freitag wanders back and disses Beastyle's TF2 skills and provides running commentary apparently.

Favorite Final Fantasy:

Beastyle: 4!
Net: 9!
Freitag: X-2 to troll you.

Net's second favorite is 6, he had Kefka poisoning the river as his desktop background.

Beastyle occasionally pops up in people's missions. He popped up in someone's ITF arc. He waited until they had just defeated Romulus and were celebrating and he goes uninvisible and does the clap emote. "Congratulations, you defeated Romulus, now you must defeat me! *Reichsman Lightning*"

Beastyle would give out his evil overlord name, but his Steam handle is actually his evil overlord name and doesn't want us talking him. Or leaping off of high places and backstabbing him.

Avatea and Beastyle disagree on if the Commodore 64 being a gaming console.

Positron hovers around off camera as we have TANGENT: Molton Hot Wings potato chips.

Zwill thinks that Colin's work on Titan Weapons is amazing and he says that he does not want to see any xXxCloudxXx type people.

There is a Vanguard Titan Weapon.

TheNet's sister was in CoH blosed beta and broke NDA by letting him play. She also bought him his SNES.

Beastyle heard about it in 2004-2005, but didn't really dig it until the CoV beta. First thing he made was a Ninja MM.

Avatea hops in to mention their working on the logging onto the forum issues.

Beastyle talking about how he was going around last night for the various Farewell Parties for Galaxy City.

Beastyle used to have waist length hair.

Beastyle was 28 a few weeks ago, I'm 28 today.

Beastyle was reading Homestuck, from MSPaint Adventures.

Offscreen is Dark Watcher.

They discuss the best place to SPARTA! Kick people.

The Abyss
The top of the Web in Grandville
I suggest the Eden Trial

We're up to almost 800 people.

Talk about the CoH Hero Gear Kit.

Talk about fighting games. Street Fighter and Soul Calibur.

Talking about Half Life 2. One of the devs used to work in the office and was a face model for the game.

Beastyle knows the guy who made the Full Life Consequences video.

Talk of more Valve games.

TheNet heads off.

Dark Watcher arrives



Talk of the three official costume contests.

Somebody has Vaseline goo on their hands and got it on Zwill's mouse.

Zwill is hovering off camera.

Freitag is doodling on the white board.

Zwill steps in: "No to the Iron Cat!"

Dark Watcher: "New stuff for bases that is beyond cool, but I can't talk about it. It is not base raiding."

BS: "Sadly."

DW: "Or ponies."

BS: "I want a Nemesis Pony. And I listen to The Cape Radio."

DW personally pulled the logs from beta for MARTy and has given them to Black Scorpion.

BS and DW both reiterate that they'll be looking at things and adjusting it.

Dr. Aeon and Black Scorpion are responsible for the design of badges.



JayLove arrives. Dark Watcher goes to check on the servers so Jay can sit down.

Jay doesn't like the cheapo chair. He wants something made of leather and maybe of a child's skull.

"Jay, do you eat babies?"

Jay: "MAYBE!"

"Can we get fezzes?"

Jay: "Or will I allow fezzes?"

BS: "Will you allow fezzes?"

Jay: "I bought a fez. I can't tell you the story, it's sexual. Seven people died that year."

Jay: "We have a list of things..." *motions from top to bottom of the screen* "And before I used to go through forum threads and go "You want a fez, hey I'll do it!" and I'll stay after work to do it. But now we've got this whole design process. So now if you're like "I want a fez" or "I want a ponytail for the front of my head," and it's like "Will it be just a fez, or will there be a whole costume set around the thing?""

Zwill calls for wipes to banish Beastyle's lotion-y corruption.

Jay states that he does not own a time machine, but he borrows one from his future self and that it's a Quantum Leap type of thing with Tetris blocks stuck on it.

Jay: "I started here 7 years ago, and I had the jerk job of taking all the costume pieces somebody else made and porting them over to the Female and Huge models."

"Were you the inspiration for Captain Awesome?"

Jay: "I am just in general an inspiration."

Jay scoots closer and strikes a comical chest out pose but does not hold it long enough for me to screencap.

We are now on Hour 10 of our Ustream broadcast, we have broken the Marathon record.

Chat wants Jay to rip off his shirt and dance like a Chippendale.

Jay: "It's something that just happens naturally. I can't do it on request."

Jay: "Are we still on the air? Can I swear?"

Zwill: "No."

Jay: "Confound it!"

Jay: "Let me serenade you with armpit farts!"

He proceeds to do just that.

Jay: "What is my favorite pokemon? That dead one. He's still in my heart."

Zwill: "There's a dead one?"

Jay: "The one I killed. I was walking through the woods to Dr. Whatever's house. And I was all like "I'm walkin' here!" I didn't want to kill him, I wanted to hug him. But he was in my way!"

Zwill: "Crazy artist says what?"

Zwill says he does not smoke.

Jay mimes Zwill doing heroin.

Jay does a bit of human beatbox.

7 de Coure does not do human beatbox.

Zwill can do club noises.

Zwill mutes the mic while Jay goes off on a rant when a chat room member says "The chick from Flashdance wants her headband back."

Zwill: "We need to start recording."

Jay: "Can we get some new world music with maybe some African bongos in it? Like some NPR music. Something soothing, lull them to sleep, and then I wake 'em up with my McLovin story that'll make them just jump out of their pants!"

We have nearly 1000 people.



Zwill and Jay shill It's-It's.

Zwill is hearing sounds and it's the vending machine being broken.

Still no ETA on the servers and the forums are down.

Jay eats his ice cream thing in a suggestive manner.

Zwill: "People are asking you to do things, like a webcam thing. Should we be charging for this?"

Freitag goes to fetch a question for the Hero Kits from Posi or Dr. Aeon from I21.

Jay continues his McLovin ID story. He's going too fast for me to do it justice. It's at the start of one of the latter parts.

We go for the first hero gear kit trivia: "What is the name of the spouse in the first kit of New Atlas Park?"

Crap. I'm rubbish with names.

The answer is Dana.

Talk about Jay's crazy Lebanese Digipen art instructor.

Talk about Jay's schooling background.

Jay: "Maybe I went to Yale! Maybe I attended a party there one night. It's the same as going to Yale, right?"

Zwill: "Well, I was thinking you might be one of those mad geniuses who persued his dream of video game design rather than going into the lucrative field of economics."

Jay: "Maybe. Maybe I am. Maybe I ate paint chips."

Zwill: "I'm sleep deprived."

Jay: "Is it because of the babies? A new puppy? Left the TV on? Ate too many fruit by the foot? I've told you about those Fruit by the Foot. Not before bed! Gummy Bears are easier on the digestion!"

Jay is stunned people have been watching this whole time. Work is no object, which leads to a talk about prison, and a not T for Teen anecdote from Jay. Zwill has to remind him they're still recording.

Jay does a bad rap and Zwill outright banishes him.

IF this goes on for much longer Zwill is going to get Positron and Protean over her to run a D20 campaign.

Zwill sings Chumbawumba.

We're at the point where statuses on the statuses is Soon™

Zwill states that he is not wearing an adult diaper, he has taken several bio breaks.

Zwill does play minecraft but has not played 1.8

Another Beetlejuice movie, wait what?

Zwill sings "Carry on my Wayward Son"

Zwill flashed Action Comics and Detective Comics #1 again.

Once again Zwill states there are plans in the works for PvP, but nothing he is able to talk about.

Level Pacts will be back eventually.

Zwill's signature character would be have caffeine consuming powers, his origin would be being tired, and his costume would be a bed.

More PvP whining from people who have been told THEY HAVE PLANS FOR PVP, THEY CANNOT DISCUSS THEM AT THIS TIME! Next time I have to type it, it gets bolded. They it gets underlined. Then red. Then bloody huge.



Ryan Green, one of the designers comes over. He has no red name and Zwill suggests Mysterious Stranger, Dark Watcher's Praetorian double.

He made the training missions.

Chat suggests his redname be Dillo. *hoorb*

Zwill has to go check on the statuses of the statuses. Avatea and Freitag are both doing translations. He has to put out the signal to anyone watching. Zwill will not allow Beastyle and his Vaseline Hands.

JLove offers his services as question reader. Zwill makes him promise to read the questions in a serious and mature manner and not make the show about him.



RG has been here since January of last year. He was QA, and he started on content design in June.

Jay: "I remember you being on the QA team and you busted your ***."

RG: "I pretty much bugged the producers until they gave me an interview. QA is all about showing your love for the quality of the game and beyond that point they were like "How well can you write?""

Jay: "When you tell people you're in video games they go "Oh, you play games for a living?" No it's not like that. You're not having fun, playing games and ripping lines..."

RG: "You're not?"

Jay: "Well... parking lot."

RG: "It's like having to find that one glitched animation bug in a blaster powerset. Or finding an error that occurs on a certain type of map and having to go through 35 maps of that type and try to replicate the bug on every square inch. We have to do it naturally, with no debug. Just like the players would do."

"Sometimes we have things like the BAF where we go through and play just like normal players."

Jay: "Let's say there's a group of bad guys, and these guys are too overpowered. Hey these dudes, we gotta go with him, make more of 'em, power 'em up, power 'em down, so that when the game goes live it has to be at a polished level."

RG: "The internal playtests are like a second stage. It's not just people from a base QA level and just about everyone on our QA team love CoH, they're real players. Our internal playtest metric is that if the internal QA team can beat it at all it's probably too easy. We're not the epic, top tier players. A lot of it is just tuning up the difficulty and having a good, fun, challenging experience."

Jay: "Before the restructuring our QA team was small, about four people. Since then we've grown the team, it's huge."

RG: "We've got 10-12 in local QA and then we have the Austin team as well making sure everything is top notch. 14 according to TheNet. Paragon is one of the few companies that makes sure everything is top notch in their end product. A lot of companies QA is seen as a necessity but doesn't really have a seat at the table."

Jay: "A lot of the best games out there spend like 25% of their dev time in QA so you have a fun, playable piece of art. And you were like this QA thing is great and all, but I want to make my own content, make something they can test."

RG: "It's not people sitting around wanting to play games all day. Most of it is like the mail room, folks wanting to get the foot in the door. There are not entry level positions for a producer or designer. Starting in QA and just getting a job in the industry is something I would recommend to anybody."

Jay: "QA is your first gig?"

RG: "Out of college I did QA for Sega."

RG drives about 120 miles a day, he lives closer to the desert than the peninsula.

Jay: "What was the first thing that the players have gotten a hand on that you made?"

RG: "The training missions. A lot of the character concepts, like Dillo and *hoorb* was some of Sean's work.. (Referring to another designer, not Dr. Aeon, possible Manticore/Sean Fish. Says he took and overseas job.)"

Talk about the new tutorial and training and the help missions while I look up other Sean's at Paragon.

RG thinks the contact finder button is one of the best things added to the game.

Jay: "Issue 21 is overly. What do you do for the next issue? Go through your process."

RG: "As we follow an issue we go through a step by step process, brainstorming documentation with all the content designers. We have three full time people working on just mission content. We greenlight all the storyarc ideas, and once we have the go ahead to start working we put down the basic mission structure. Then you start adding in the costumes and custom maps. Protean touched on this at the PAX conference."

"A lot of mission designers in the industry are just writers, just writing text. What we do are really designers, we're not just game writers. We make the custom maps, make the spawns, create the costumes. Everything you see in a mission in part or whole by the content designer. It's a lot of work but also freeing. You have a lot of creative control over what goes into the missions and how they're structured. We can create a lot of more interactive content, like people will see."

"Apparently chat says you're going to crack my skull and feast on my brains."

Jay: "Well, if you want to skip to the end, not build up that whole "I know it's going to happen, but oooh! Now he went and did it...""

RG: "Well, I'm not using my brain."

RG: "Paragon studios isn't the biggest studio in the world, which has its ups and downs, but we have people that are capable of making content for the players from start to finish. We can take a story idea from the documentation and concept and build it out in the game and see it in action. That's a really cool feeling. When players start playing it, that's even better. We react to what players say. A lot of people think that their feedback on the beta forums get ignored, and that couldn't be further from the truth."

Jay: "I deal with character design, costumes, and I see all the comments positive and negative. We read over that stuff religiously, we're dedicated to making you the best content we can."

"Do we do a fez, or do we do a whole costume set that people will be able to use everywhere."

RG: "Fez shoulder pads, fez chest pieces, fezzes everywhere. There's a new zone, Fezburg."

Jay: "There's Fez melee, it's like swinging a trash can."

RG: "We're changing the name of the game to City of Fezzes."

Jay: "The freedom of the Fez."

"You were a player, and outsider coming into the studio, what was the craziest thing you heard about the game?"

RG: "Dr. Aeon explaining to me how the sound system worked. We don't have a lot of music in the game. Mostly we have city sounds. I have my headphones on, I hear city sounds, I take my headphones off, I hear city sounds. Our game has a very archaic sound system and we're only just now able to break out of that. We've got voices in the tutorial, new music, new sounds. We have a full-on sound guy and we're paying attention to the uses of music and sound in missions and taskforces."

Jay: "One of the uses in video games of sound is setting things up on a subconscious level. Like in horror movies with a big rush of sound and then a silence, like three seconds and then a big scare with a violin. That';s wht they';re doing over in sound, making it seem more cinematic."

RG: "We've got some Halloween content coming up and we want to really hit home that... well... I dunno what I can say about it."

Jay: "Let me put on my community hat..." *places Zwill's Diet Coke can on head* "I'm community, I know everything!"

RG: "I've seen the monster you made, the costume pieces."

Jay: "I don't know we've showed them the one thing..." wavy hand gesture beside the head* "I've been able to make a costume piece I'd tried before and I finally managed something that was far better than what I did before. And I make things that these guys request. What is something you've requested?"

RG: "I haven't gotten many art resources. But we can make a lot with an expanded version of the costume creator. I don't work on them, but the Signature story arcs have a lot of that. People have been able to see the progression of the art with Celestial armor. Stuff that is really cool looking."

Jay: "Aw shucks! You're just saying that!"

RG: "The art has really grown in CoH."

Jay: "That was one of my goals when I came to CoH, looking at the characters and wanting to bring things up to where I know I was at."

Zwill has returned with Second Measure to deliver announcements.



Servers are coming up right now! HOWEVER:

1. Paragon Market is not up tonight.
2. Neither will the bonus points we've been gathering since July 1, it will be delivered by the tech guys overnight.

We still can access Time Manipulation, the new content, the First Ward. But we can't buy Beam Rifle or the Rocket Board or anything like that. Points bought via the account page will work, but you can't spend them yet.

Exalted should be up and running.

Zwill: "Here's the fun one, the we don't want to blow our servers up thing. The free transfer token will not be available immediately. We're going to hold off on granting it for now. It will be awarded in a patch next week. This does not change any events for our current plans on the Exalted server. Character costumes can be copied over."

"Rush now to claim your names on Exalted!"

Zwill: "We're going to be extending the 6 server transfer for $6 for a day. The log in screen, the server select screen issue where the scroolbar rubber bands. There are 16 servers now, but only room for 14 on the log in screen."

Second Measure: "We've been working on this all. So until we can fix this we'll be arranging the servers randomly. So if you don't see your server, log out and log in again. It's fixed internally, but we have to go through the process of getting it live. In addition the servers are going to have some weird information about which are more populated than the others. We're tricking the client so you might see low pop servers appear full, and full servers empty."

Zwill: "Don't worry if your home server is red and isn't Virtue."

2M: "Your last logged in server will still be on top."

Zwill: "The log in server is getting slammed from everyone trying to log in."

The mac launcher has an issue with Mac's new OS to get 10.5 recognized. They hope to have it recognized within the next hour or two.

2M: "I think if you have 10.5 you have to deleted the launcher and install it again. JUST THE LAUNCHER, NOT THE WHOLE GAME, MIND YOU!"

Forums are online, log in may be borked a little bit. They are for the devs, at least. Zwill will try to get us an update on that ASAP.

Recap:

Market will be up tomorrow with the points
Points from the last 3 months not showing up, the script will be run at that time
If your server does not appear on the list, log out and log back in
The free transfer token will be granted with a patch next week
Log in server is getting slammed, please be patient
The Mac font issue is something they're looking to address later in the week
The issue with Mac 10.5 will be fixed within the hour, delete and redownload the patcher, NOT THE GAME OR THE CLIENT

Gunslinger listed but all the pieces missing is a known issue. Almost 12 hours. Zwill calls the 12 hour Ustream marathon to an end.




Zwill thanks everybody who has shown up on the chat today, everyone by name.

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Originally Posted by reiella Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right .

It was kinda weird seeing Sexy Jay act normally for his second appearance

Thank you for including the links to my vid. (I gather a few folks were a bit irked that ads hit right in the middle of the video...)

Michelle
aka
Samuraiko/Dark_Respite

Heh. Zwill needs a 'Cuppa joe' for his super hero persona. ;P

hey this is tjmat200 wondering is zwill got the mail with my info

Whee, more thread necromancy!