Let me pay you money for Celesial Armor.
If you have two years of play time, you're definitely above tier two.
I know we've all been accruing points since July with our regular billing cycles. I'm not sure if we were also getting tokens as well with that.
Plus there is a guide out there if you'd like to just buy your way up the veteran rewards table. It depends upon you expendable income, but I know I'm planning on spending a bunch later today just for conveniences like extra storage of all sorts, additional costume slots and additional character slots. Plus IIRC, in Beta a few weeks ago, bonus points were offered for bulk purchases with 20% bonus points for every $100 bulk purchase. That will net you a number of additional tokens.
Probably not the solution you wanted to hear. But... at least this is unlike the prior vet and loyalty rewards system where there was no way to feasibly "buy back" time unsubbed.
And NCSoft pays the price by refusing to accept my money as payment for these new features.
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Approximately you'll pay:
Tier 1: $0
Tier 2: Variable. Owning a Retail Code, or first purchase of Paragon Points.
Tier 3: $45 above Tier 2.
Tier 4: $90 above Tier 2.
Tier 5: $165 above Tier 2.
Tier 6: $270 above Tier 2.
Tier 7: $375 above Tier 2.
Tier 8: $480 above Tier 2.
Or you'll have to pay in time. Either way you pay.
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If you have two years of play time, you're definitely above tier two.
I know we've all been accruing points since July with our regular billing cycles. I'm not sure if we were also getting tokens as well with that. Plus there is a guide out there if you'd like to just buy your way up the veteran rewards table. |
I also intend to spend a lot of money early on, but even then I don't think I'll be at the top tier yet - and I need the celestial armor. It's not just "new and cool" to me, I have characters who desperately need those costume pieces (particularly the weapons/wings) for their character concept.
Unfortunately, no. I won't spend $500 to get shiny wings. I want them badly, but not enough to spend the equivalent of the cost of a new computer on them. So, I won't pay. They won't receive the additional revenue they otherwise would if I (and others like me) were allowed to pay them for the new costumes.
Meaning it'll be 'gone' for a week, maybe a month tops, then appear back in the store as something you can buy.
So you can get it earlier for a few rewards token earlier than the people who buy it flat out. Then once it's up for sale, later on, it'll stay on sale permanently, barring unexpected circumstances.
I'm not sure how well that'd satisfy you if they implement, obviously.
Another upside: The next reward that replaces it might be ten times cooler.
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My best guess is once it leaves the rewards table, it'll take a Disney classics inspired route.
Meaning it'll be 'gone' for a week, maybe a month tops, then appear back in the store as something you can buy. So you can get it earlier for a few rewards token earlier than the people who buy it flat out. Then once it's up for sale, later on, it'll stay on sale permanently, barring unexpected circumstances. I'm not sure how well that'd satisfy you if they implement, obviously. Another upside: The next reward that replaces it might be ten times cooler. ![]() |
Unfortunately, they haven't confirmed that this is the case. I'd love to get a dev to comment and explain HOW they're going to "cycle back in" stuff which used to be Tier 9 restricted.
First question: how many vet rewards do you have currently? If you've been playing for 2 years straight, you should have 8. You'll also have earned 2 free character slots as part of the old vet program. All this translates to 10 starter tokens in the new system.
Plus you get 1 token for your original purchase of the game. But only 1, even if you bought CoV as a box after buying CoH. So you've got at LEAST 11 tokens coming your way to start.
And now, each month of VIP status from AT LEAST this day forward (maybe July 1 forward when they started also giving us Paragon Points) also nets you 1 additional token.
You also get 1 token for each $$ increments of points bought from the Paragon Store. (Monthly allowances of 400-550 points from being VIP do not count towards this amount.) I think it's somewhere around every 1200 points purchased (probably not including bonus overages for bulk buys). Basically every $15 you spend = 1 additional token. You do NOT need to spend your points to get the tokens towards the new rewards (Vet) program. And lastly, I think they are giving out a bonus token upon your first purchase of ANY points.
Based upon my assumption that you have at least 11 tokens to start (you may have more if you have more vet rewards than that and may have more from billing cycles since July 1), you will be somewhere just below entering Tier 5 at a minimum on day 1. If you were to spend just $30 in the Paragon Store and stay subscribed through the end of the calendar year, you'll be a token or two away from entering Tier 6 of the program. So no, you won't get access to the Tier 9 vet costumes, but you'll also be unlocking oodles of other neat prior vet rewards, including costume pieces, that you would otherwise be waiting years to get still. I think Samurai armor may be one of those. And though it is no celestial armor, it is one of the better and more complete vet sets in the old system.
Edit: To be clear, if I can, Snow Globe's guide is focused on how the tiers will affect premium players (those that play for pay but then later unsubscribe). So it does not list all the other goodies like costume bits, respecs and vet powers. But all the rewards that were once a part of the former Veteran Rewards program are now being folded into this new program. So you have oodles of presents to open in a couple hours.
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First question: how many vet rewards do you have currently? If you've been playing for 2 years straight, you should have 8. You'll also have earned 2 free character slots as part of the old vet program. All this translates to 10 starter tokens in the new system. Plus you get 1 token for your original purchase of the game. But only 1, even if you bought CoV as a box after buying CoH. So you've got at LEAST 11 tokens coming your way to start. And now, each month of VIP status from AT LEAST this day forward (maybe July 1 forward when they started also giving us Paragon Points) also nets you 1 additional token. You also get 1 token for each $$ increments of points bought from the Paragon Store. (Monthly allowances of 400-550 points from being VIP do not count towards this amount.) I think it's somewhere around every 1200 points purchased (probably not including bonus overages for bulk buys). Basically every $15 you spend = 1 additional token. You do NOT need to spend your points to get the tokens towards the new rewards (Vet) program. And lastly, I think they are giving out a bonus token upon your first purchase of ANY points. Based upon my assumption that you have at least 11 tokens to start (you may have more if you have more vet rewards than that and may have more from billing cycles since July 1), you will be somewhere just below entering Tier 5 at a minimum on day 1. If you were to spend just $30 in the Paragon Store and stay subscribed through the end of the calendar year, you'll be a token or two away from entering Tier 6 of the program. So no, you won't get access to the Tier 9 vet costumes, but you'll also be unlocking oodles of other neat prior vet rewards, including costume pieces, that you would otherwise be waiting years to get still. I think Samurai armor may be one of those. And though it is no celestial armor, it is one of the better and more complete vet sets in the old system. Edit: To be clear, if I can, Snow Globe's guide is focused on how the tiers will affect premium players (those that play for pay but then later unsubscribe). So it does not list all the other goodies like costume bits, respecs and vet powers. But all the rewards that were once a part of the former Veteran Rewards program are now being folded into this new program. So you have oodles of presents to open in a couple hours. |
To quote Phillip J. Fry, I just want them to "shut up and take my money." And, as I said before, if in three months the Celestial Armor moves to the Paragon Market like any other purchasable perks (like the Rocket Board or the Barbarian Armor), I'll be satisfied.
But I want a dev to come and TELL US THAT.
Simple enough request. I would like to give NCSoft money, and in return, receive the cool new costume pieces and especially the energy wings (a costume piece I have been asking for for two years) in return.
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After the whole 'we don't want to lock meaningful stuff and costumes behind long time vet rewards' and this set being the ONLY set of energy wings and one of the few glow-map armours?
Let's just say my opinion of this can be summed up with two words or one picture;
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Not to tell you what to think on this one, but this seems like a bit of an overreaction. Consider that any account will earn 39 tokens in just three years of VIP subscription with zero additional purchases. This means that a BRAND SPANKING NEW ACCOUNT made today would be well into tier 8. With the former vet program, what did 3 years get you? And again, you can buy in for additional points. So if that very same new account decided to buy the equivalent of our booster packs, purchasing say $30 worth of additional points each year, they'd end their 3 year stretch with another 7 tokens total (including the bonus for first $$ purchase at the Paragon Store.) That's 46 tokens through what we've been doing normally. Giving a new account access to all the premium loyalty rewards. These rewards are going to unlock faster for folks than I think some people realize.
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I do not, and WILL not, ever agree with locking costume parts behind the higher tiers of vet rewards, however. I thought they'd learned that lesson with stuff like wings and trenchcoats, which are at least down in the very first few tiers.
But to have "Oh hey guys, we finally ponied up and made the energy wings that people have been begging for for years along with one of the few glowmap armours ever!" and then follow through with a kick in the fork to the tune of "Oh, and you can only get it from the very top tier of rewards and even then only if you're subbed"?
That's as much farmyard faeces as the "Only level 50s are cool enough to wear this" Ascension Armour.
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Not to tell you what to think on this one, but this seems like a bit of an overreaction. Consider that any account will earn 39 tokens in just three years of VIP subscription with zero additional purchases. This means that a BRAND SPANKING NEW ACCOUNT made today would be well into tier 8. With the former vet program, what did 3 years get you? And again, you can buy in for additional points. So if that very same new account decided to buy the equivalent of our booster packs, purchasing say $30 worth of additional points each year, they'd end their 3 year stretch with another 7 tokens total (including the bonus for first $$ purchase at the Paragon Store.) That's 46 tokens through what we've been doing normally. Giving a new account access to all the premium loyalty rewards. These rewards are going to unlock faster for folks than I think some people realize.
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A brand new account made today would be tier 1 or 2. THREE YEARS down the road, sure, they'd earn a lot more tokens. Three years is not a short time. Three years is almost long enough to go to college, earn a degree, and graduate. You cannot say "no, the tier 9 content isn't locked" by claiming "just wait three years and you can have the shiny wings."
Three years is so long that god forbid, City of Heroes might not even exist anymore. MMOs have been built, designed, released, and been shut down in a shorter amount of time.
And yeah, three years can be a long time. It can go by in the blink of an eye. Didn't expect to be here 7 years later myself.
I stuck to facts. But the facts are that it takes only about 3 years of simply continuously subscribing to the game to go from Tier 1 to Tier 8 with the new system. Was trying to provide some perspective. Sorry if that is not to your liking.
And yeah, three years can be a long time. It can go by in the blink of an eye. Didn't expect to be here 7 years later myself. |
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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Simple enough request. I would like to give NCSoft money, and in return, receive the cool new costume pieces and especially the energy wings (a costume piece I have been asking for for two years) in return.
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I guess what I'm saying is that it's probably not such a bad thing that we can't "pay-forward" for it after all. I have a feeling a lot of people who might have done that would have been majorly disappointed. *shrugs*
This "tiered" business model not only exists purely to frustrate customers, but also contradicts the entire philosophy of CoH: Freedom. If these were actually "rewards" - something you're given for free once you reach that tier, that would be fine with me. I'm perfectly accepting of the idea of earning something through veteran status. However, if I'm willing to PAY to unlock the material, I should be able to regardless of where I sit on the rewards tree.
Count me as an extremely frustrated customer. And NCSoft pays the price by refusing to accept my money as payment for these new features. I don't want it for free. I just want to be allowed into the store. |
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The irony of people saying they'd "pay hundreds of dollars to get the Celestial set today" is that IMHO the Celestial set is not really all that super-cool to begin with. Sure it's relatively nice and it does have the only "energy wings" in the game so far. But after playing around with it for the last several weeks on Beta I've decided there are a number of costume sets I still like better. The Ascension Armor for instance is much nicer and more epic looking.
I guess what I'm saying is that it's probably not such a bad thing that we can't "pay-forward" for it after all. I have a feeling a lot of people who might have done that would have been majorly disappointed. *shrugs* |
I think the A-Pieces look like...'A', and the Celestial pieces look like canned Win with Win Sauce
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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Unfortunately, no. I won't spend $500 to get shiny wings. I want them badly, but not enough to spend the equivalent of the cost of a new computer on them. So, I won't pay. They won't receive the additional revenue they otherwise would if I (and others like me) were allowed to pay them for the new costumes.
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- pay cash up front to get to Tier 9 VIP
- pay for a subscription over time to get to Tier 9 VIP
- do a combination of the two to get to Tier 9 VIP
Now, in the interest of moving this conversation along, what is your vet reward status? I can tell you how close you will be to your goal.
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Well, my account was created on 7th of September, 2006. So, just over 4 years.
It seems they removed the 'Vet rewards earned' section from the account, so I can't tell where I was exactly without logging in.
Which I obviously can't
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Simple enough request. I would like to give NCSoft money, and in return, receive the cool new costume pieces and especially the energy wings (a costume piece I have been asking for for two years) in return.
Yes, I understand that eventually they will "cycle back in" and, by then, I might have accumulated enough reward tokens to reach Tier 9 (currently, I think I sit at around Tier 2 - FAR from being able to acquire the stuff I actually care about).
This "tiered" business model not only exists purely to frustrate customers, but also contradicts the entire philosophy of CoH: Freedom. If these were actually "rewards" - something you're given for free once you reach that tier, that would be fine with me. I'm perfectly accepting of the idea of earning something through veteran status. However, if I'm willing to PAY to unlock the material, I should be able to regardless of where I sit on the rewards tree.
Count me as an extremely frustrated customer. And NCSoft pays the price by refusing to accept my money as payment for these new features. I don't want it for free. I just want to be allowed into the store.