Ever wish Sleep did something more?
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Arctic_Princess,
Posted on: 2011-08-16 17:19 in Suggestions and Ideas
Worthless in the post-20 game?
Hit a Fake Nemesis with it, or some of the AVs, and come back and say that. Shuts bubbles right off. (Sleep - stack confuse - no worries.) It's a big hole for some enemies/sets.
Have to say I didnt know it did that
Until a Mind Dom can't sleep all the AVs in the LRSF allowing for easy single pulls, no one is allowed to say Sleeps are useless post 20s.
Does it have general everyday usefulness in the mass AoE that exemplifies most regular content? No. But with a clever user and a smidge of planning there are times when it is invaluable and no other power in the game provides the a solution with as much ease.
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Also, drop Mass Hypnosis over a spawn, and the blasters can just walk in and nuke the whole thing before the mobs get a chance to shoot back.
Mesmerize, on the other hand, will one-shot mez a boss. Need to shut down a shield, hurricane or any other toggle in a hurry? There you go. Plus, it comes with a built-in above-average accuracy.
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As the others have said Sleep in this game may not be useful in every situation, but in the situations it -is- useful for it's almost indispensable. You have to accept that a Sleep Mezzer is a fairly specialized type of character and you have to spend a little more effort minimizing its weaknesses to maximize its strengths. You may find that you simply don't like to play a Sleeper and that's fine. But just because you don't like how they play doesn't mean they need buffs of any kind. |
Originally Posted by Mr_Zek
But sleep....... worthless in the post 20s game.
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Originally Posted by Quinch
Also, drop Mass Hypnosis over a spawn, and the blasters can just walk in and nuke the whole thing before the mobs get a chance to shoot back.
Mesmerize, on the other hand, will one-shot mez an archvillain. Need to shut down a shield, hurricane or any other toggle in a hurry? There you go. Plus, it comes with a built-in above-average accuracy. |
I love my Mind/Emp Controller...puts all AVs to sleep (in STF)
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Just chucking in my recent experience of a Mind 'Troller - They're actually fun!
Sleeps are also useful in 'oh dear, we appear to have aggro'd another mob' situations.
The benefit of Sleep and Mind Control, of course, is that there are 2 powers that cause sleep, so Bosses are taken care of.
But on Electric Control, the sleep is awesome too. Not so much a fan of Salt Crystals on Earth Control as it's a PBAoE and it's other powers are, imho, much better at mitigation.
But Mind and Electric are cool as is, with regards to Sleep. Not tried my 'troller out on the STF yet as she's too low, but as she's Mind/Thermal, I am very much looking forward to Mass Sleep and Mass Debuffing the heck out of the AVs 
On the flipside of this, remember that any buff to sleep or any other mez will also fire back at PCs whenever there's a mezzing enemy on the map (and there are already far too many of those).
Thanks for all the feedback! I will have to try some of this out. Sometimes (especially with Incarnate powers) things move so fast that I dont get a chance to try things out.
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Just remember, if you slot the Reactive Interface DoT it will break the sleep of Mesmerize. |
Originally Posted by Mr_Zek
Thanks for all the feedback! I will have to try some of this out. Sometimes (especially with Incarnate powers) things move so fast that I dont get a chance to try things out.
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You have to make a choice with that power where interface is concerned: More damage or a useful mez power.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
One of the dirtiest uses of Mass Hypnosis and Hypnosis is that Dispersion Bubble does not provide immunity to it. When you come up against Circle of Thorns with D Bubble, you should throw Mass Hyp at the crowd even if you think it might immediately get cancelled. Mass Hypnosis on a Controller has a 50% chance to Overpower, and Hypnosis sleeps a boss in one shot. This has a chance to detoggle the bubble, and even if they immediately wake up they are still detoggled for a while. This also works wonders against enemies wielding Hurricane, particularly when on the Katie Hannon Task Forces where I believe you come up against boss-level witches wielding that power. If I remember right, the AV also uses it, and sleep was able to suppress it each time she tried to turn it on, because AV don't get sleep protection. AVs with aggressive toggles are rare, but not completely unheard of.
Another other use is to cast it just before Total Domination. Because Mass Hypnosis doesn't alert enemies, only anything that both powers miss alerts to you. If you are able to select a boss as your first target, Mass Hyp --> Total Dom --> Dominate will generally eliminate them from any possibility of responding, giving you a roughly 40% chance to have to deal with one or two other bosses, with everything else unable to respond.
I do. I love playing mind control. I love the concept of it. Yes TK can be annoying because it was nerfed way back and its an end hog. Yes Its mostly hard control. Yes Mass Confusion is a love it or hate it power. But sleep....... worthless in the post 20s game. Mass Hypnosis is a skip it power as is Mezmerize later in your toon's career. Wouldn't it be cool though, if sleep had a secondary effect? A short recharge slow, a short stun, a to-hit debuff, defense debuff..... something! Thoughts?