Are you looking for a 1v1 build or a team build? An Ice/Mental probably won't translate that well to team PVP, but a 1v1 build might work. You'd have nice recovery and recharge debuffs, as well as slows, which would allow you to stay at range against melee opponents.
I'll use this toon at RV, i can do 1vs1 mainly need RV toon. Just need survive and can kill some players 
In general people don't hand out builds. Post your own, and people will give you advice on it. Or at least they used to. These forums are pretty dead these days, so it may be hard to get advice.
Quick advice: You want to have a ton of KB protection, and as much +HP as you can get. And hibernate or phase shift is 100% mandatory, as are super speed and super jump.
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Quick advice: You want to have a ton of KB protection, and as much +HP as you can get. And hibernate or phase shift is 100% mandatory, as are super speed and super jump.
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The only reason it's really necessary is because all of your opponents have those things.
And I do mean ALL of your opponents. If you go into a zone with a toon built any other way, you're probably going to suck.
And even if the devs fix PvP that isn't going to change. There is always going to be one type of build that outperforms the rest, and I like to have some kind of choice in how I slot my characters instead of doing the exact same thing as everyone else.
But, aside from my rant, Supermax's quick advice is sound.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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The funny thing is this didn't used to be true, until they changed PvP to try and stop it from happening.|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
This is why I pretty much quit PvPing. Because everything is cookie cutter builds nowadays.
The only reason it's really necessary is because all of your opponents have those things. And I do mean ALL of your opponents. If you go into a zone with a toon built any other way, you're probably going to suck. And even if the devs fix PvP that isn't going to change. There is always going to be one type of build that outperforms the rest, and I like to have some kind of choice in how I slot my characters instead of doing the exact same thing as everyone else. But, aside from my rant, Supermax's quick advice is sound. |
(Yes, I realize that makes no sense. That's the point.)
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The funny thing is this didn't used to be true, until they changed PvP to try and stop it from happening.
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Ice: Level 50 Natural Blaster
Primary Power Set: Ice Blast
Secondary Power Set: Mental Manipulation
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Medicine
Ancillary Pool: Cold Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Ice Blast
- (A) Devastation - Accuracy/Damage
- (3) Devastation - Damage/Recharge
- (3) Devastation - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (5) Devastation - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (9) Devastation - Chance of Hold
- (A) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize
- (5) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize/Recharge
- (7) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge
- (7) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Recharge
- (9) Gravitational Anchor - Chance for Hold
- (A) Decimation - Accuracy/Damage
- (11) Decimation - Damage/Recharge
- (11) Decimation - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
- (13) Decimation - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (13) Decimation - Damage/Endurance
- (A) Force Feedback - Accuracy/Knockback
- (15) Force Feedback - Recharge/Knockback
- (15) Force Feedback - Recharge/Endurance
- (17) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge
- (17) Force Feedback - Damage/Endurance/Knockback
- (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
- (19) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
- (19) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
- (21) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
- (21) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
- (43) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
- (23) Recharge Reduction IO
- (A) Gladiator's Net - Accuracy/Hold
- (23) Gladiator's Net - Accuracy/Recharge
- (25) Gladiator's Net - Recharge/Hold
- (25) Gladiator's Net - Endurance/Recharge/Hold
- (27) Gladiator's Net - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge/Hold
- (27) Gladiator's Net - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance
- (29) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)
- (A) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff
- (29) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff/Recharge
- (31) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff/Endurance/Recharge
- (31) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff/Endurance
- (31) Adjusted Targeting - Recharge
- (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage
- (33) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance
- (33) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge
- (33) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (34) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (50) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (A) Touch of the Nictus - Healing
- (34) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Endurance/Heal/HitPoints/Regeneration
- (34) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
- (36) Touch of the Nictus - Heal/HitPoints/Regeneration/Recharge
- (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance
- (36) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)
- (A) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage
- (36) Positron's Blast - Damage/Range
- (37) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge
- (37) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy)
- (37) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (A) Rectified Reticle - Increased Perception
- (A) Healing IO
- (A) Healing IO
- (43) Healing IO
- (43) Recharge Reduction IO
- (A) Coercive Persuasion - Confused
- (39) Coercive Persuasion - Confused/Recharge
- (39) Coercive Persuasion - Accuracy/Confused/Recharge
- (39) Coercive Persuasion - Accuracy/Recharge
- (40) Coercive Persuasion - Confused/Endurance
- (40) Coercive Persuasion - Contagious Confusion
- (A) Karma - Knockback Protection
- (A) Endurance Reduction IO
- (42) Endurance Reduction IO
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
- (45) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (45) Luck of the Gambler - Endurance/Recharge
- (45) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
- (46) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance
- (48) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Recharge
- (48) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
- (48) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
- (50) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
- (50) Recharge Reduction IO
Level 1: Brawl
- (A) Empty
Level 1: Sprint
- (A) Empty
- (A) Empty
Level 2: Swift
- (A) Empty
- (A) Miracle - +Recovery
- (40) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
- (A) Empty
- (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
- (42) Performance Shifter - EndMod
- (42) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy
- (46) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge
- (46) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge
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I know this is bad but i havent no idea how can i fix this toon. What is important for blasters? Defense, resist or damage?
Any advice ?
I can give some advice on the powers. You definitely want a fully slotted Scare. That's one of the only reasons to be /mental in PvP. You actually can probably skip bitter ice blast. It's crazy, I know, but even Subdual does more damage than BiB. You can just chain bolt, blast, and subdual.
You also want to take acrobatics, and you need a lot more kb protection. That's the main thing. Right now it looks like you have only 16 points or protection. You want it to be somewhere in the 40's....I don't remember the exact number anymore....maybe over 41 (including acro)?
Other than kb protection, like I mentioned earlier, +HP is the main thing you want. Add some +dmg where you can. All PvP is these days is damage spam vs bags of HP. So you want to be able to spam as much damage as you can, while having the biggest possible bag of HP. Literally nothing else in PvP matters anymore.
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Sadly, from my limited experience as the worst empath in a quickly-dead ladder on test, this is all true. And yes it's incredibly stupid and nonsensical that the hardest hitting attack in PvE for Ice Blast (BIB) is garbage damage in PvP, but they made changes to "ease the barrier of entry" and so now you have to learn a whole new set of rules and what your powers do and more specifically, don't do.|
Originally Posted by Supermax
I can give some advice on the powers. You definitely want a fully slotted Scare. That's one of the only reasons to be /mental in PvP. You actually can probably skip bitter ice blast. It's crazy, I know, but even Subdual does more damage than BiB. You can just chain bolt, blast, and subdual.
You also want to take acrobatics, and you need a lot more kb protection. That's the main thing. Right now it looks like you have only 16 points or protection. You want it to be somewhere in the 40's....I don't remember the exact number anymore....maybe over 41 (including acro)? Other than kb protection, like I mentioned earlier, +HP is the main thing you want. Add some +dmg where you can. All PvP is these days is damage spam vs bags of HP. So you want to be able to spam as much damage as you can, while having the biggest possible bag of HP. Literally nothing else in PvP matters anymore. |
And I think it's 42 points of KB protection to prevent a slotted Force Bolt from knocking you.
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kinda threw this together..think i covered everything.
I wouldn't spend this much on a ice blast but yeah.
capped hp. 41 kb pro. some range boost (you can swap glad javs for Centriole's)
I know Drain Psyche is a beast recovery debuff. I dont know how affective Scare is.
you'll want to use the Cardiac alpha
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Ice: Level 50 Natural Blaster
Primary Power Set: Ice Blast
Secondary Power Set: Mental Manipulation
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Medicine
Ancillary Pool: Cold Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Ice Blast -- HO:Nucle(A), Dmg-I(3), Apoc-Dam%(3), GJ-Acc/Dmg(5), GJ-Dam%(9), ImpSwft-Dam%(15)
Level 1: Subdual -- GravAnch-Immob(A), GravAnch-Immob/Rchg(5), GravAnch-Acc/Immob/Rchg(7), GravAnch-Acc/Rchg(7), GravAnch-Hold%(9)
Level 2: Ice Bolt -- HO:Nucle(A), Dmg-I(11), GJ-Acc/Dmg(13), GJ-Dam%(13), ImpSwft-Dam%(17)
Level 4: Telekinetic Thrust -- Acc-I(A)
Level 6: Aim -- AdjTgt-ToHit(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(19), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(19), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg(21), AdjTgt-Rchg(21)
Level 8: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(23)
Level 10: Freeze Ray -- GladNet-Acc/Hold(A), GladNet-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(11), GladNet-Acc/Rchg(23), GladNet-Rchg/Hold(25), GladNet-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(25)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Krma-ResKB(15), Zephyr-ResKB(17)
Level 14: Super Speed -- Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(A), Zephyr-ResKB(29)
Level 16: Concentration -- AdjTgt-ToHit(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(29), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(31), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx(31), AdjTgt-Rchg(31)
Level 18: Bitter Ice Blast -- HO:Nucle(A), Cloud-%Dam(27), Apoc-Dmg(33), ImpSwft-Dam%(33), GJ-Acc/Dmg(33), GJ-Dam%(34)
Level 20: Drain Psyche -- Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Heal/HP/Regen(A), Nictus-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Nictus-Acc/Heal(34), P'Shift-EndMod(36), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(40), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(46)
Level 22: Super Jump -- ULeap-EndRdx(A), ULeap-Jump(27), ULeap-Stlth(36), Jump-I(37), Zephyr-ResKB(37)
Level 24: Ice Storm -- JavVoll-Acc/Dmg(A), JavVoll-Dam/Rech(36)
Level 26: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Krma-ResKB(37)
Level 28: Tactics -- GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(43), GSFC-Build%(46), Rec'dRet-Pcptn(50)
Level 30: Aid Other -- Heal-I(A)
Level 32: Aid Self -- Numna-Heal/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(43), IntRdx-I(43)
Level 35: Scare -- Abys-Acc/Rchg(A), Abys-EndRdx/Fear(39), Abys-Acc/EndRdx(39), Abys-Fear/Rng(39), Abys-Acc/Fear/Rchg(40)
Level 38: Acrobatics -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 41: Snow Storm -- EndRdx-I(A), EndRdx-I(42)
Level 44: Frozen Armor -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Krma-ResKB(45), Ksmt-ToHit+(45), S'fstPrt-ResKB(45), EndRdx-I(46)
Level 47: Hoarfrost -- Dct'dW-Rchg(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(48), Dct'dW-Heal(48), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(48), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(50), S'fstPrt-ResKB(50)
Level 49: Hibernate -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve
Level 0: Portal Jockey
Level 0: Task Force Commander
Level 50: Cardiac Core Paragon
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Defiance
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(40)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(42), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(42)
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perma jump is ---> /up 1
One other thing is that with the changes in I13, ice blast's damage got the nerf bat sooooo you are not really going to be putting out the damage to, as you said in an earlier post, "kill some players". I would roll a psi,fire or sonic blaster and then go and try it out. I have a bad feeling that with an ice/mental blaster you are going to get really depressed once you spend the money on it and it doesn't perform.
And as supermax said you need to slot for +hp, kb protection over 41 with acrobatics running, like in the build Hinden posted (but also like Hinden said, I would never spend that much on an ice/mental blaster).
OLD SCHOOL PvP
Rad/Psi,Psi/Em,Fire/Em,Cld/Sonic,FF/Sonic,Grav/Ta,Storm/Psi,Sp/WP,Fire/Psi,Sonic/Pain
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Subdual also have a retarded animation.
Proc out stuff and get reactive. slot up scare and drain psyche and build ups.
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I have some hold and range IO's sets. Have gladiator's net, gravitational anchor, coercive persuasion, some ranged sets and lotg recharge %7.5, miracle:+regen, numina +regen +recovery. Anyone can post good build ?