Dark Melee/Shield Defense...Scrapper or Brute?

I understand what you're saying, Kenteko. It is true that if an attack does enough damage to one shot either character, then it is the one with higher HP that is losing out. That being said I would hardly call it liability, more like wasted effort in that particular case.


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Also, I'm also aware of how much the Vicki's hurt. That is why I like dropping Darkest Night on a group of them, takes a little out of their bite and also makes it harder for them to hit me since I'm hanging around 47.5% defense to all positions.

I'm not going to argue about it anymore, if i was ever really arguing about it to begin with. I agree that the scrapper version of SD has more advantages than the brute version. But different players might have different goals. For the most part the extra survivability of the brute (along with soul mastery) is wasted, but in some situations having the increased survivability is nice. It's up for the player to decide if the better damage is worth the trade, and I can see how a min/maxer would choose the scrapper every time.

SD on a brute can't touch SD on a scrapper in terms of damage. Hands down. Ask anyone that has both and not what they determine from Mids. I have a SD scrapper and a SD Brute. I'm about to delete the Brute due to the big difference. I can post hard numbers if anyone needs them.

As a matter of fact, i will post them in a few.

There's a reason that green inspirations and self heal modifiers are based on a percentage of your maximum hit points, ditto Regeneration. The only case where it's "easier" to reach max HP is when you are getting healed by an outside source, like another player or a Lore pet.

Just had an idea....anyone want to make a shield defense super team? The defense from Grant Cover and Phalanx Fighting would be insane.


Phalanx Fighting
Fighting very near your allies allows you to deflect attacks much easier. You will gain a small bonus to your melee, ranged and area of effect defense this bonus grows for each ally near you. This power is always on and costs no endurance.

Some people say more damage makes a better DM/SD and some people say more survivability makes a better DM/SD. I think it is all about the players preference and playstyle.

Who said anything about Siphon Life or Darkest Night? I was talking about SC on both toons. SC on scrappers wins hands down. Heck, i could break off topic, too, and say go to WW and buy the new super insp Ultimate and pop it for a level shift. Stop taking stuff off topic and say i'm pretending anything.... Mobs die faster = you live longer. Regardless of DN, SL, or any other powers that you want to bring up. Shield Charge was the topic. Now, anything to add?

For some reason, these people dont understand that that having more HP = more survivability, assuming you are talking about the same power set and same defensive numbers.

I can see the logic behind thinking that the damage you lose is not worth the extra surviability, at which point that would be an opinion. Stating the SD scrapper is just as survivable as an SD Brute is just being ignorant.

Edited because people don't know how to stay on topic and take everything you say out of context.

The fire aura brute does have more Hp than the scrapper (version), and since all of the other defensive numbers are the same, it is more survivable. It is also possible for the brute to have higher resists, although except for fire resistance it won't matter unless there are outside buffs such as sonic or thermal shields.

Fire aura also tends to do more damage on the brute, since fury effects the damage aura and burn, but scrappers inherent criticals do not. Fire Aura is kind of an odd set out and is probably the only secondary that is better in every way on the brute than a scrapper.

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I think you were trying to say that the Fiery Aura brute has more HP than the SD scrapper? So now you want to compare a SD scrapper to a FA brute? That doesn't make much sense in a thread comparing the same set across different ATs.

The SD scrapper might have the same amount of health as an FA brute. Since shields has a +HP power and FA does not, I'm not sure which would have more HP between to the two. Overall I'd have to say that the SD scrapper has better survivability, but the FA brute would do more damage. This can be dependent on the primary too, as FA brutes also have access to rage which makes FA even better.

Edited again because I guess I need to be more specific and so that people stay on topic.