They say I'm going soft

Just to make sure I'm not misleading you, keep in mind that boxed expansions have had things like powersets in them as well. The specific intent is to continue to offer the things that the base subscription used to offer (like powersets) in the VIP subscription, and to offer the things that existed in boxed expansions and boosters (like powersets) in the store.

Things like powersets, that have been both given away for free and sometimes sold in expansions will show up in both ways: some will be included with VIP subscription, and some will show up in the store. The devs have already announced powersets that will be included in VIP subscriptions and powersets that will be purchased with points coming up in I21.

Separate from all of that, VIP subscribers will get 4800 points to spend as part of their subscription per year (400/month), which will increase to 6600 points per year (550/month) when you reach tier 9 VIP veteran status. So the first 4800 points of stuff per year will cost you nothing extra. You'll only have to pay cash for the stuff you want above the 4800 points you'll get per year. Think of it as a subsidy for VIP players: the first 4800 points of stuff is comped to us by NCSoft.

But just to be clear: the devs are likely to be releasing a lot more stuff in the store than they ever did in booster packs. Its just that the plan is not to carve out stuff from the subscription service and put it in the store: its to keep making the same amount of stuff or more for the base subscription, and then add onto that even more stuff that will be sold in the store. They aren't robbing Peter to pay Paul. Or rather, they aren't robbing subscribers to fill the store. If anything they are actually robbing Premium players (who have to pay for more stuff and get no points stipend) to give more stuff to subscribers and using the store to do it. Although that's not true either, because Premium players get to play the basic game for free: everything they buy is voluntary and optional for them, based on how much more game they want and balanced against the fact they don't want to have to subscribe.

Hey that meme is mine!

You weren't around when needed!



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I'm more or less in agreement with this.

(very strange to find that I agree with JB on something, given our rather heated arguments)

A compromise that I at least would find acceptable would be:

VIP players who paid for Going Rogue separately should retain access to it if they drop to Premium status.

VIP players who got it for free with i21 should NOT retain access to it if they drop to Premium status.

The way I understand it is you get to keep anything you earned with vet time or paid for with real money when your subscription lapses and you become a Premium player.

Since the people who will be getting Going Rogue for free with their subscription did neither of those things to get it, they shouldn't retain access to it when they go Premium.

I'd still be mildly annoyed by it, but if it worked like that it wouldn't feel so much like we were sold something when it was known we would be getting it for free at the time it was sold to us. Since it was stated that Freedom has been in the works for over a year, that would put it right around the time GR pre-orders were being sold.

I understand that CoV was once a separate purchase that was later given for free, but the difference lies in the fact that CoV was originally marketed as a standalone game that just happened to be compatible with another one, while GR is an expansion that requires you to already have the game to utilize. Also, there was a longer period of time between CoV being released and everyone getting access to it for free than we have here.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

Also, I want to add, they don't seem balanced between themselves for that matter.

-Afterburner provides a measly increase of 13 MPH to the already slowest travel power while disabling your ability to attack. Yes it provides some Defense, but's that pointless with an Affect Self Only being enforced.

-Zone Teleport seems kind of useless. The changes made to the train stations and helicopters aside, with Ouroboros access being lowered, you can use that to travel to most of the zones in the game already, and if you're at 50 and know where Contacts are located, you can travel to the specific area of the zone you want.

These powers are both extreme novelties in my opinion and I don't think they stack up to, for example, an extra AoE attack like Leaping is getting.

If it were up to me, I'd create three more thematic AoE attacks for the Fly, TP and Speed pools, create a "novelty" power for Leaping, and demote all four novelty powers down to Tier 1, because they're just not worth prerequisites or busting a build to get.


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Does Afterburner suffer from travel suppression? If not then it might be a very good power for a few people. Generally tho I agree I'm unsure about whether an Only Effect Self effect is a good idea.

I presume it does because it works in conjunction with Fly, not in place of it.


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I think Johnny is right. Everything I've heard about Afterburner suggests it's a flight speed buff, but not a flight power in itself.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.