Recommendations for four melee characters
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Amy_Amp,
Posted on: 2011-07-14 05:32 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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Storm -> Cobra -> Storm -> CAK should do 89ish DPS unenhanced, according to my notes from Moonlighter's testing at the time of the MA changes. At the time, that was nearly tops among Scrapper primaries, second to the Incinerate/GFS/Cremate chain in Fire melee.|
Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
I looked at that thread and what I mainly saw was people saying, "Well, MA used to be pretty bad and I haven't run the numbers but I assume it still is." Good news! It isn't. I'm not going to tell you that it does the absolute best single target but it does beat much-beloved sets like katana and I believe even claws. You don't have to like dragon's tail but going by the numbers it does the best DPA. That's hard to argue with. It is also up much more frequently than FSC, a power whose popularity can only be due to people's love of large orange numbers. It is up six times as frequently as lightning rod and does about a third of its damage, as another example.
Which would you guess is the better farmer: MA/FA or Elec/Shield? The answer may or may not surprise you! Anyway, why do you want to disbelieve that MA is good now? It really is! Enjoy and spread the word! |
Storm Kick is awesome.
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The part in bold is a terrible comparison if your going to compare primaries keep the secondary the same FA is bar non the best secondary for farming in terms of destructive ability I have little doubt that FA is responsible for the bulk of enemies killed.
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Originally Posted by PleaseRecycle
I looked at that thread and what I mainly saw was people saying, "Well, MA used to be pretty bad and I haven't run the numbers but I assume it still is." Good news! It isn't. I'm not going to tell you that it does the absolute best single target but it does beat much-beloved sets like katana and I believe even claws. You don't have to like dragon's tail but going by the numbers it does the best DPA. That's hard to argue with. It is also up much more frequently than FSC, a power whose popularity can only be due to people's love of large orange numbers. It is up six times as frequently as lightning rod and does about a third of its damage, as another example.
Which would you guess is the better farmer: MA/FA or Elec/Shield? The answer may or may not surprise you! Anyway, why do you want to disbelieve that MA is good now? It really is! Enjoy and spread the word! |
I know it's a terrible comparison. My hope was to illustrate how non-competitive lightning rod and shield charge actually are in the area of farming. Biggest orange number does not mean best performance.
Organica, I wasn't giving numbers because checking the DPS of a chain is just about the easiest calculation one can do. It is left as an exercise for the reader.
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i agree with these suggestions, except, i would recommend the scrapper be Dark Melee/Fiery Aura. DM/SR does have great (and obvious) synergy, hence why i would suggest the less then obvious at first glance synergy of DM/FA. and that Red Tornado here suggested all Def sets with no resistance (ok SA is kinda middle of the road). the pairing of DM/FA is great as it gives you 2 self heals, 2 end recovery powers, 2 "build ups", and the -ToHit helps with FA's resists, and FA's AoE's add to the lack of such in DM. this combo turns out to be freaken amazing. just my 2inf.
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Originally Posted by redtornado
Hello Ketch,
My recommendations are: Kinetic Melee/Ninjitsu Stalker(the Build Up Concentrated Strike synergy is uber) Dark Melee/Super Reflexes Scrapper(the synergies are very nice here) Electric Melee/Sheild Defense Brute(some serious AoE killing power here, w/good synergy) Stone Armor/Fire Melee Tank(be a Lava Monster  )Happy Gaming :-) |
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My highest Scrapper is ~L10, so I'll leave that AT to folks who like them 
For the other 3 AT's though, I have a few L50's that I'd recommend to anyone.
Stalkers: */Nin - as the others point out, /Nin is unique and very good.
For a real "ninja" feel, go NB on primary. Otherwise, KM and Elec are also
excellent choices.
Tank: Fire/Ice - An unusual combo with great synergy between Ice Patch and
all roasty, toasty powers. Also comes with an End Recov power and a Heal.
In PvE, he's virtually unkillable unless I fall asleep at my keyboard.
Brute: SS/WP - Pure Beast-in-a-Box. Whatever your enhancement budget,
you can make one of these that kicks major backside...
In PvE, against select mobs he is unkillable even if I fall asleep at my keyboard.
That includes baddies like Rikti Pylons and Ghost of Scrapyard - No other toon
in *my* collection can do that.
Have fun with whatever AT's you decide on...
Regards,
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Kinetic Melee feels pretty ninja-ey as well if you like a little magic in yours, I personally do. MA/Nin is also fun, but MA is much better on a Scrapper than a Stalker in my humble opinion.|
Originally Posted by FourSpeed
Stalkers: */Nin - as the others point out, /Nin is unique and very good.
For a real "ninja" feel, go NB on primary. Otherwise, KM and Elec are also excellent choices. |
You can't really go wrong with some of the combos given here. Definitely either make your Brute or your Tank Superstrength, it's a late bloomer but it's crazy fun. Definitely play Shield Defense on something, too.
And for what it's worth, I'd suggest avoiding Regen except maybe on a Brute once it's proliferated in I21. It's a much weaker set than it was in it's hayday and it's a lot easier to get good regen numbers plus softcap on a defensive set than it is to get anywhere near softcapped on Regen.
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I24 Proc Chance = (Enhanced Recharge + Activation Time) * (Current PPM * 1.25) / 60*(1 + .75*(.15*Radius - 0.011*Radius*(360-Arc)/30)) Single Target Radius = 0. AoE Non-Cone Arc = 360.
Which would you guess is the better farmer: MA/FA or Elec/Shield? The answer may or may not surprise you!
Anyway, why do you want to disbelieve that MA is good now? It really is! Enjoy and spread the word!
I'm just going by my own experience. I still play my MA scrappers a bit, and my fire/shield and em/shield scrappers can wipe the floor with them.
Werner and Aracanaville are number crunchers. When they tell me MA doesn't match up, I'm inclined to believe them. But there are comparison threads in the scrapper forums that you can dig through for hard numbers. ^_^
I'm not saying MA isn't a good set... there really are no bad scrapper primaries. But I know from my own experience that other sets outperform it, even after the changes to it.
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