Brute vs Tanker Dark Armor
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Chainsaw_Chicken,
Posted on: 2011-07-11 13:21 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Neither can, not even with Tough. 6-slot Obsidian Shield on a Tanker with Cardiac Core and you will be at 85%, but S/L can't even reach 80% with Dark Embrace and Tough 6-slotted.
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First of all, are you talking the Alpha Slot Cardiac Core Paragon?
Brutes, without using IOs, will always have 25% less dmg resistance/defense then the equivalent Tank because of modifiers. Without outside buffs, Brutes won't get to the s/l resist cap, Tanks will get closer.
My Dark Tank will sit around 76% S/L and 85% Psi resistance with the Cardiac Core Paragon. (This toon is IO'd, but not specifically for +resistance) This tank is using Tough to get the s/l numbers that high.
An equivalent Dark brute would be hard pressed to achieve those resistance numbers, again, without outside buffs.
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I've got 90% psi resist on my Tanker thanks to Cardiac and two or three Impervium Armor globals, but I haven't any Smethal resistance above that granted by Dark Embrace.
Even with Tough, I don't think you're going to get those anywhere close to the hard cap.
Tank build with 89.8% Smashing/Lethal, 90% Psi, 31%+ defense to all. Barrier Core will add a minimum of 6% resistance and 5% defense to all with Cardiac for 2 minutes, with a 2 minute recharge. Throw in a 2200 point heal from Dark Regeneration every 10 seconds with just 2 targets available and no endurance issues (Dark Regeneration reliably FILLS endurance with the procs).
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Level 50 Magic Tanker
Primary Power Set: Dark Armor
Secondary Power Set: Ice Melee
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Death Shroud
- (A) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage
- (3) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Endurance
- (3) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (5) Multi Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
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- (43) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
- (43) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
- (A) Gladiator's Armor - Resistance
- (11) Gladiator's Armor - Recharge/Resist
- (13) Gladiator's Armor - End/Resist
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
- (13) Recharge Reduction IO
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- (15) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge
- (17) Positron's Blast - Damage/Range
- (40) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
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- (17) Gladiator's Armor - End/Resist
- (19) Gladiator's Armor - Recharge/Resist
- (A) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
- (19) Touch of the Nictus - Healing
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- (21) HamiO:Golgi Exposure
- (23) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance
- (23) Theft of Essence - Chance for +Endurance
- (A) Shield Wall - Defense/Endurance
- (25) Shield Wall - Defense
- (25) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +3% Res (All)
- (46) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (48) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (48) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
- (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
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- (29) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
- (31) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
- (31) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
- (27) Recharge Reduction IO
- (A) Empty
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- (31) Gladiator's Armor - End/Resist
- (33) Gladiator's Armor - Recharge/Resist
- (A) HamiO:Endoplasm Exposure
- (50) Absolute Amazement - Stun
- (A) Gladiator's Strike - Accuracy/Damage
- (33) Gladiator's Strike - Damage/Recharge
- (33) Gladiator's Strike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (34) Gladiator's Strike - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
- (34) Gladiator's Strike - Accuracy/Damage/End/Rech
- (A) Shield Wall - Defense
- (37) Shield Wall - Defense/Endurance
- (37) Shield Wall - Defense/Recharge
- (46) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (A) Absolute Amazement - Chance for ToHit Debuff
- (34) Absolute Amazement - Stun/Recharge
- (36) Absolute Amazement - Accuracy/Stun/Recharge
- (36) Absolute Amazement - Accuracy/Recharge
- (36) Absolute Amazement - Endurance/Stun
- (A) Taunt Duration IO
- (A) Armageddon - Damage/Recharge
- (39) Armageddon - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (39) Armageddon - Accuracy/Recharge
- (39) Armageddon - Damage/Endurance
- (40) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage
- (A) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge
- (42) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (42) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge
- (42) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance
- (43) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)
- (A) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge
- (45) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (45) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Recharge
- (45) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance
- (46) Ragnarok - Chance for Knockdown
- (A) HamiO:Enzyme Exposure
- (48) HamiO:Enzyme Exposure
- (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
- (50) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
- (50) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
Level 0: Portal Jockey
Level 0: Task Force Commander
Level 0: The Atlas Medallion
Level 50: Cardiac Core Paragon
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Level 1: Brawl
- (A) Empty
Level 1: Sprint
- (A) Empty
- (A) Empty
Level 2: Swift
- (A) Run Speed IO
- (A) Miracle - +Recovery
- (37) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
- (A) Jumping IO
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Question: Does the panacea proc in Dark Regen check per enemy hit or per activation? Also, what about the endurance consumption vs gain of Dark Regen with only one target slotted like that? I have a hard time believing it will fill your endurance with only a couple of mobs, much less one.
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Originally Posted by Microcosm
Question: Does the panacea proc in Dark Regen check per enemy hit or per activation? Also, what about the endurance consumption vs gain of Dark Regen with only one target slotted like that? I have a hard time believing it will fill your endurance with only a couple of mobs, much less one.
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You get a 20% of 10% endurance returned to you per target hit. For simplicity sake, let's assume you've only got 100 max endurance. Dark Regeneration costs 33 endurance, average slotting I would assume is around 20 endurance per use (very conservative, most people would slot more or Cardiac).
Against one target, you get an average return of 2 endurance (20% * 10 end). So sometimes it costs you 20 endurance, sometimes it only costs you 10. On average, you're spending 18 endurance if you only use Dark Regen against one target. That doesn't sound phenomenal by a long stretch.
With ten targets in range, the average return is ten times that, or 20 endurance, since each event is independent. If you slot better than what I assumed as average endurance reduction and have the theft of Essence proc, on average, Dark Regen will return more endurance to you than it costs if used in a full mob. There are times it will fill your endurance bar. There are also times where it won't fire at all.
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Thx for clarifying. I was hoping the panacea would check per target (obviously). Endurance consumption is the main reason I have never stuck with a /dark.
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In the category of Dark Armor can both brutes cap smash/lethal/psychic resistance with incarnate that does 20% resistance?
I can't decide which of the two to make. Just want something that can be a beast but not ugly.
THanks.