From a functional perspective, Earth/Fire is better I think. The pairing of maximum AoE control with maximum AoE damage. And the -def of /Thorns is rather wasted given how much -def Earth/ already puts out.
Arc #40529 : The Furies of the Earth
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I found both capable of producing very good AoE. In fact I think /Thorny has more AoE. Even so /Fire's damage output is tough to beat.|
Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
From a functional perspective, Earth/Fire is better I think. The pairing of maximum AoE control with maximum AoE damage. And the -def of /Thorns is rather wasted given how much -def Earth/ already puts out.
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The main difference is that /Thorny's AoEs are primarily delivered at a closer ranges and the animations are a bit longer. /Fire can be successfully played at purely long ranges if desired.
In my mind it comes down to a question of playstyle and a tolerance for redraw. The playstyle contrast would be Mid range to Melee (Earth/Thorny) vs. Long range with the option of playing melee (Earth/Fire). The safety Earth/ provides can feasibly support both playstyles.
Best of luck with your decision!
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I forgot to mention that I ended up rerolling my Earth/Thorny (as a Ice/Thorny and an Earth/Fire) not because it sucked but because I also thought the -DEF was overkill as OB points out. I also found my playstyle conflicted. For me Earth/ seems to favor a longer ranged playstyle while /Thorny favors a closer range playstyle. YMMV
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Originally Posted by Saltyhero13
In my mind it comes down to a question of playstyle and a tolerance for redraw. The playstyle contrast would be Mid range to Melee (Earth/Thorny) vs. Long range with the option of playing melee (Earth/Fire). The safety Earth/ provides can feasibly support both playstyles.
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I have an Earth/Fire/Fire dom and really like it. No real downside to it: it wasn't too hard to make perma dom. I didn't bother with high defenses; when everything is locked down, slowed, or bouncing around on the ground, while being burnt to a crisp, they don't have much opportunity to shoot back at you.
I have two concepts:
1: A volcanic island protector who can also wield water to a degree earth/fire/levi
2: Diamonds, a character who is able to create diamonds in any shape and form earth/thorn/ice.
Earth/thorns looks as though there are almost too many powers if that makes sense.
Which do you think will work better? What could be improved upon etc
Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.942
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Level 50 Magic Dominator
Primary Power Set: Earth Control
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Assault
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Leviathan Mastery
Villain Profile:
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Level 1: Fossilize BasGaze-Acc/Hold(A), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(3), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold(3), BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(5)
Level 1: Flares Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(43), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(46), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(50), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 2: Stone Cages GravAnch-Hold%(A), GravAnch-Immob/Rchg(5), GravAnch-Acc/Immob/Rchg(7), GravAnch-Acc/Rchg(7), GravAnch-Immob/EndRdx(9)
Level 4: Incinerate C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(9), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(11), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(11), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(13)
Level 6: Quicksand RechRdx-I(A)
Level 8: Fire Breath Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(13), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(15), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(15), Posi-Dam%(17)
Level 10: Fire Blast Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(17), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(19), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(19), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(21)
Level 12: Combat Jumping LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 14: Super Jump Zephyr-ResKB(A)
Level 16: Stalagmites Amaze-Stun(A), Amaze-Stun/Rchg(21), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(23), Amaze-Acc/Rchg(23), Amaze-EndRdx/Stun(25)
Level 18: Earthquake DarkWD-ToHitDeb/Rchg(A), DarkWD-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx(46), DarkWD-Rchg/EndRdx(48), DarkWD-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(50)
Level 20: Embrace of Fire RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(25)
Level 22: Combustion Oblit-%Dam(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(27), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(27), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(29), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(29)
Level 24: Kick Empty(A)
Level 26: Volcanic Gasses UbrkCons-Dam%(A), UbrkCons-Hold/Rchg(31), UbrkCons-Acc/Hold/Rchg(31), UbrkCons-Acc/Rchg(31), UbrkCons-EndRdx/Hold(33)
Level 28: Consume P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(33), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(33), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(34)
Level 30: Tough Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(34)
Level 32: Animate Stone ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(34), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(36)
Level 35: Hasten RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(36), RechRdx-I(37)
Level 38: Blaze Apoc-Dam%(A), Apoc-Dmg/Rchg(39), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx(39), Apoc-Acc/Rchg(40)
Level 41: Water Spout Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(42), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(42), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(42), Posi-Dam%(43), Achilles-ResDeb%(43)
Level 44: Bile Spray Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(45), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(45), Posi-Dam%(46)
Level 47: Shark Skin Aegis-ResDam(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(48), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(48)
Level 49: Hibernate RechRdx-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl Empty(A)
Level 1: Domination
Level 1: Sprint Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift Empty(A)
Level 2: Health Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(40)
Level 2: Hurdle Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(37), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(37), P'Shift-End%(40)
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Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.942
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Level 50 Magic Dominator
Primary Power Set: Earth Control
Secondary Power Set: Thorny Assault
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Ice Mastery
Villain Profile:
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Level 1: Fossilize BasGaze-Acc/Hold(A), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg(3), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold(3), BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(5)
Level 1: Thorny Darts Empty(A)
Level 2: Stone Cages Enf'dOp-Acc/Rchg(A), Enf'dOp-EndRdx/Immob(5), Enf'dOp-Acc/EndRdx(7), Enf'dOp-Immob/Rng(7), Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob/Rchg(9), Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob(9)
Level 4: Fling Thorns Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(11), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(11), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(13), Posi-Dam%(13), Achilles-ResDeb%(15)
Level 6: Combat Jumping LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(15)
Level 8: Hasten RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(17), RechRdx-I(17)
Level 10: Impale Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(19), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(19), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(21), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(21)
Level 12: Stalagmites Amaze-Stun(A), Amaze-Stun/Rchg(23), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(23), Amaze-Acc/Rchg(25), Amaze-EndRdx/Stun(25)
Level 14: Super Jump Zephyr-ResKB(A)
Level 16: Aim Rec'dRet-ToHit(A), Rec'dRet-ToHit/Rchg(27)
Level 18: Earthquake DarkWD-ToHitDeb/Rchg(A), DarkWD-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx(46), DarkWD-Rchg/EndRdx(50), DarkWD-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(50)
Level 20: Thorn Burst Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(27), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(29), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(29), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), Oblit-%Dam(31)
Level 22: Boxing KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(45), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(46), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 24: Tough S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 26: Volcanic Gasses UbrkCons-Dam%(A), UbrkCons-Hold/Rchg(31), UbrkCons-Acc/Hold/Rchg(33), UbrkCons-Acc/Rchg(33), UbrkCons-EndRdx/Hold(33)
Level 28: Thorntrops Posi-Dmg/Rchg(A), Posi-Dam%(34), ImpSwft-Dam%(34)
Level 30: Weave LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(34), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(36)
Level 32: Animate Stone ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(36), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), ExRmnt-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg(37)
Level 35: Ripper Oblit-%Dam(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(37), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39)
Level 38: Thorn Barrage Decim-Acc/Dmg(A), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(39), Decim-Dmg/Rchg(40), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(40), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40)
Level 41: Sleet Achilles-ResDeb%(A), AnWeak-Acc/Rchg(42), AnWeak-Acc/Rchg/EndRdx(42), RechRdx-I(42)
Level 44: Frozen Armor LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(45), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(45)
Level 47: Ice Storm Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(48), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(48), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(48), Posi-Dam%(50)
Level 49: Maneuvers LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
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Level 1: Brawl Empty(A)
Level 1: Domination
Level 1: Sprint Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift Empty(A)
Level 2: Health Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Rcvry+(43)
Level 2: Hurdle Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(43), P'Shift-End%(43)
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