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Alright Deus, I have numbers for you. I must say, they really disappoint me, but they don't actually surprise me.
My Dwarf form optimal chain, with hasten active, is this (>> indicates a gap): Mire > Smite > Strike >> Smite >> Mire > Strike > Smite > Strike >> Repeat The entire chain takes 11.928 seconds, includes less than half a second worth of gaps, and does a total of 1216.7 damage. After accounting for 0.95 accuracy, I get a DPS of 96.9. That's pretty awful, but it's understandable. Even though this chain includes two purple sets (in Mire and Smite), the base damage here just isn't anything to write home about. If you're going to fight a single target for extended times as a warshade, you're better to do it in some other form. Full saturation isn't much better. Same chain, with 10 targets to buff my damage yields a total of 1894.9, which works out to 150.9 DPS. Again, considering I have two purple sets in that chain, it's not very impressive. None of that is rotating the heal, Black Dwarf Drain, in there either. It has the worst DPA of all Dwarf attacks, so if I have trouble staying alive, these numbers fall quickly. Let's face it, Dwarf Form is not the best for dealing damage. |
Well, while I would never advocate a Dwarf form WS for dealing ST damage over a Scrapper or Brute, 150 DPS is at least passable if you compare it to the quasi-tanker that Dwarf form is.
So here's the next two questions.
Using every tool available to survive, what would be the absolute optimal ST DPS you think you would be capable of? It can be any form, or changing between forms.
Using every tool available, where does the WS fall on the AoE damage output scale?
Assume something like Dark Melee/Invuln is "extremely low" for AoE and something like SS/FA/Soul Brute would "extremely high".
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In a human form build I have, with t4 reactive radial and tons of recharge, against a single target I'm seeing ~200 dps not including damage from the pets. If I include Essence Drain in that for "every tool available to survive," that drops to ~195, again without pets. Should be slightly lower than those, though, as I am not counting activation times for eclipse, hasten, or sunless mire.
Using every tool available to survive, what would be the absolute optimal ST DPS you think you would be capable of? It can be any form, or changing between forms.
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I haven't calculated the pet dps contribution in a while, but I would guesstimate that three of them with the soulbound buildup proc would pump out about 150 dps?
Edit: For AoE, you can look at the spreadsheets here, though Joe's numbers are a tad off at the moment.
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I fail at the numbers thing, but solo, my warshade clears +4/x8 fire farms in 5 minutes max with bosses turned off- Keeping 1-3 small purple inspirations active at a time and small blues for endurance recovery- one used at a time after quasar only. Bosses on teams slow it down a bit, but the survivability difference is well covered with the use of vengeance.
Well, while I would never advocate a Dwarf form WS for dealing ST damage over a Scrapper or Brute, 150 DPS is at least passable if you compare it to the quasi-tanker that Dwarf form is.
So here's the next two questions. Using every tool available to survive, what would be the absolute optimal ST DPS you think you would be capable of? It can be any form, or changing between forms. Using every tool available, where does the WS fall on the AoE damage output scale? Assume something like Dark Melee/Invuln is "extremely low" for AoE and something like SS/FA/Soul Brute would "extremely high". |
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Thanks for the spreadsheet, and 200 DPS is pretty respectable.
In a human form build I have, with t4 reactive radial and tons of recharge, against a single target I'm seeing ~200 dps not including damage from the pets. If I include Essence Drain in that for "every tool available to survive," that drops to ~195, again without pets. Should be slightly lower than those, though, as I am not counting activation times for eclipse, hasten, or sunless mire.
I haven't calculated the pet dps contribution in a while, but I would guesstimate that three of them with the soulbound buildup proc would pump out about 150 dps? Edit: For AoE, you can look at the spreadsheets here, though Joe's numbers are a tad off at the moment. |
I'm assuming that build is a high end no price tag build?
I've had a Warshade on ice for ages, and I'm trying to decide if it will ever become a real project. This is encouraging at least - although with T4 Reactive I would really like more than 200 DPS.
Still, if the AoE output is there, I could probably live with that.
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I fail at the numbers thing, but solo, my warshade clears +4/x8 fire farms in 5 minutes max with bosses turned off- Keeping 1-3 small purple inspirations active at a time and small blues for endurance recovery- one used at a time after quasar only. Bosses on teams slow it down a bit, but the survivability difference is well covered with the use of vengeance.
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The price tag will burn your eyes if you look at it, but that's partially because it is also softcapped to s/l in human form (or will be when they fix shadow cloak to have typed defense as well as positional). My last project cleaned out my bank, stalling this one, which is why I only have hand calcs for you.I'm assuming that build is a high end no price tag build? |
Remember, the 200 dps is without the pets. If you are able to keep three of them out (no easy task when facing a lone target), that could jump to over 300.
If you want AoE damage too, you will have to do a compromise build so you can have Nova and its AoE's. Single target dps will take a small hit to fit that in, but it's worth it.
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The price tag will burn your eyes if you look at it, but that's partially because it is also softcapped to s/l in human form (or will be when they fix shadow cloak to have typed defense as well as positional). My last project cleaned out my bank, stalling this one, which is why I only have hand calcs for you.
Remember, the 200 dps is without the pets. If you are able to keep three of them out (no easy task when facing a lone target), that could jump to over 300. If you want AoE damage too, you will have to do a compromise build so you can have Nova and its AoE's. Single target dps will take a small hit to fit that in, but it's worth it. |
Well I'd be willing to risk my eyes if you are willing to share.
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I'm not too worried about the final costs, I just need to justify the expense with an end result I will enjoy.
And while it could be more expensive depending on specifics, I doubt it would be significantly worse than THIS
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In all seriousness, that build sounds exactly what I'm looking for - truth is I haven't the first idea where to begin with building a WS that would do the things you mention.
And I'm completely in favor of sacrificing some ST for a slew of AoE.
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Alright, I have to know how you do this. What's your chain of attacks?
That's probably 1 dps off of calcs for my dwarf. You can add the pets to that number, so it's not so abysmally low, but they won't last against a pylon, obviously.
A human build I have shows fully double that dps. |
I just tried reworking my build to include a "decent" human form chain against one target, but what I end up with is actually less single target DPS than I get in Dwarf.
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A human build I have shows fully double that dps.
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