EULA question about chartacter names


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I've got a sort of odd (but still cool) situation I was hoping to clarify. I sent a PM to the devs, but no reply yet, and I'm worried time may be a factor.

I know I can't name a character after a known fictional character. But...

What if I wrote a non fan-fiction story, then made a character in game with the same name, and of vaguely the same type.

For example, I write a SF story and name my hero, a smuggler/rogue, Bob Weever. Then I make a Dual Pistols/EM blaster with a sort of sci-fi outfit, a generic space rogue background, and the same name. A year later, someone buys and publishes that story.

I'm technically the copyright holder of the name, but under the EULA, NCSOFT owns it, meaning I can't use it in the story, correct?

If so, then my next question would be if changing the name in game would make it all a non-issue.

Thoughts?


My first short story (detective fiction) came out in Jan-2012. Other stories and books to follow, I hope. Because of "real writing". COH was a big part of that happening.

 

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Always best not to use a name that you as a writer might want use in a story in this game.

Technically if you make the character here first it is NCSofts and not yours anymore.


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Originally Posted by Tog View Post
I've got a sort of odd (but still cool) situation I was hoping to clarify. I sent a PM to the devs, but no reply yet, and I'm worried time may be a factor.

I know I can't name a character after a known fictional character. But...

What if I wrote a non fan-fiction story, then made a character in game with the same name, and of vaguely the same type.

For example, I write a SF story and name my hero, a smuggler/rogue, Bob Weever. Then I make a Dual Pistols/EM blaster with a sort of sci-fi outfit, a generic space rogue background, and the same name. A year later, someone buys and publishes that story.

I'm technically the copyright holder of the name, but under the EULA, NCSOFT owns it, meaning I can't use it in the story, correct?

If so, then my next question would be if changing the name in game would make it all a non-issue.

Thoughts?
Short version: The EULA says you give them full copyright "to the extend that the local law allows it". If you're in the US, that means you don't give up all rights to your character, because the law doesn't allow it.

In Theory, NCSoft *could* sue you over using a character name in a book that you've also used in the game first. It would be terrible publicity ("Game company sues player over use of player's character"), would basically come down to whose lawyer is better at comparing the EULA to relevant laws, and if they won would give them basically nothing, since they can create their own characters and not be constrained by the costume creator.

In Practice, that line in the EULA is there to make it easier for NCSoft to cover the use of your character in promotional footage and such. If the Community Devs make a video at a player gathering, and your Blaster appears in it, they don't have to give you money before they can post the video online for fans to see.

Also in practice, if you publish your book and it becomes popular, someone who read it might see your character in game and think "some stupid kid is ripping off the main character from that awesome book!" and report you to the GMs, who might generic your character depending on their mood. You will have to basically prove to them you're the copyright holder for that name, possibly a few times. (This has happened.)




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Thanks for the replies.

My concern isn't that I won't get to keep the character's name in game, I just don't want it to get to the publisher and mess things up on that end.

The only reason I used the name in the first place was everything else I tried was either taken or stupid. A friend had an issue where a name was generic'd for what amounted to a reading failure and a dirty mind on the part of the person reporting it and the GM's the person petitioned after. it was never fixed, so I wouldn't expect to be able to provide any level of proof that would allow me to keep the name in game.

Right now, there is still time to change either one. I'd just like like to know If I need to.


My first short story (detective fiction) came out in Jan-2012. Other stories and books to follow, I hope. Because of "real writing". COH was a big part of that happening.

 

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I recently ran into a situation similar to this. I was rolling a Dominator, which I dressed up as a scarecrow or hobgoblin. Looked certifiably badass as far as scarecrows go.

When I got to naming him, I hit a snag. I was rolling a villain with a scarecrow or hobgoblin theme. Both "Scarecrow" and "Hobgoblin" are names of popular scarecrow- and hobgoblin-themed villains in DC and Marvel comics, respectively. Took me the better part of an hour to think of a name that didn't seem to say "possible ripoff of a Batman villain."


 

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I would strongly advise changing the game character's name. Even if you are the creator, if the name and/or design of a game character is similar to that of one from an outside work, NCSoft will treat it as a copyright violation and generic them if/when it's brought to their attention. I have actually seen this happen, several years ago.

Also, as noted, the publisher finding out that the character name exists in a game with a EULA may make them skittish; it depends on how hungry the lawyers are that day. I'd say save a lot of headaches and just rename the toon.


 

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Originally Posted by JAG-01 View Post
I recently ran into a situation similar to this. I was rolling a Dominator, which I dressed up as a scarecrow or hobgoblin. Looked certifiably badass as far as scarecrows go.

When I got to naming him, I hit a snag. I was rolling a villain with a scarecrow or hobgoblin theme. Both "Scarecrow" and "Hobgoblin" are names of popular scarecrow- and hobgoblin-themed villains in DC and Marvel comics, respectively. Took me the better part of an hour to think of a name that didn't seem to say "possible ripoff of a Batman villain."
If you hadn't already settled on a name, I would have suggested either Crow's Bane or Raven's Bane. Those were the first two suggestions that immediately came to mind.