Demons/Dark -- Build Review and Advice?


Bookkeeper_Jay

 

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...Please?

I couldn't decide between Necro/Dark and Demons/Dark. I think I've read Demons are a little more damaging, but it doesn't really matter for the purposes of this build, not a lot changes if I change the primary.

I was aiming for a Tankermind build, so my main build goals so far have been:
--Self-softcap. I don't think it's possible to softcap Demons with Dark, so I softcapped S/L/E/R, with F/C/AOE within 1 small purple of softcap.
--Perma-hasten. Didn't quite get there at 77.5% global rech.

Concerns with this build:
--I would have really liked to Hover, but having to take Presence pretty much means I can't.
--End use is high. Cardiac may be mandatory; I obviously would have preferred Spiritual.
--Not a lot of global accuracy. Without tactics, Twilight Grasp only has a 88% chance to hit +4s.
--I don't really know how Bodyguard works out in practice. I'm thinking softcapped + tough + shadowfall + twilight grasp means I'll be pretty tough.

Anyway, Masterminds aren't really my thing so I'd definitely appreciate any advice!

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Level 50 Magic Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Demon Summoning
Secondary Power Set: Dark Miasma
Power Pool: Presence
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Summon Demonlings -- BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg(A), BldM'dt-Dmg/EndRdx(3), BldM'dt-Acc/EndRdx(3), BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), BldM'dt-Acc(5), BldM'dt-Dmg(7)
Level 1: Twilight Grasp -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(7), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(9), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(9), Dct'dW-Heal(11), Acc-I(50)
Level 2: Tar Patch -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(11)
Level 4: Darkest Night -- Cloud-ToHitDeb(A), Cloud-Acc/ToHitDeb(15), Cloud-Acc/Rchg(15), Cloud-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(17), Cloud-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(17), Cloud-%Dam(23)
Level 6: Enchant Demon -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 8: Crack Whip -- Ragnrk-Dmg(A), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg(19), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(19), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg(21), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx(21)
Level 10: Howling Twilight -- Stpfy-Acc/Rchg(A), Stpfy-EndRdx/Stun(23), Stpfy-Acc/EndRdx(25), Stpfy-Stun/Rng(25), Stpfy-Acc/Stun/Rchg(27), Stpfy-KB%(46)
Level 12: Summon Demons -- BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg(A), BldM'dt-Dmg/EndRdx(27), BldM'dt-Acc/EndRdx(29), BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(29), BldM'dt-Acc(31), BldM'dt-Dmg(31)
Level 14: Provoke -- Mocking-Taunt(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(31), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(33), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(33), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(33), Mocking-Rchg(34)
Level 16: Shadow Fall -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), HO:Enzym(34), HO:Enzym(34)
Level 18: Hell on Earth -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(36), SvgnRt-PetResDam(36), EdctM'r-PetDef(37), ExRmnt-+Res(Pets)(37), C'Arms-+Def(Pets)(50)
Level 20: Fearsome Stare -- Cloud-ToHitDeb(A), Cloud-Acc/ToHitDeb(37), Cloud-Acc/Rchg(39), Cloud-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Cloud-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Cloud-%Dam(50)
Level 22: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Tough -- GA-3defTpProc(A), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(40)
Level 26: Summon Demon Prince -- BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg(A), BldM'dt-Dmg/EndRdx(40), BldM'dt-Acc/EndRdx(40), BldM'dt-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(42), BldM'dt-Acc(42), BldM'dt-Dmg(42)
Level 28: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), HO:Enzym(43), HO:Enzym(43)
Level 30: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(43), RechRdx-I(45)
Level 32: Abyssal Empowerment -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 35: Petrifying Gaze -- Acc-I(A)
Level 38: Dark Servant -- Cloud-Acc/Rchg(A), Cloud-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(45), Cloud-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(45), Cloud-Acc/ToHitDeb(46)
Level 41: Scorpion Shield -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), HO:Enzym(46), Ksmt-ToHit+(48)
Level 44: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), HO:Enzym(48), HO:Enzym(48)
Level 47: Assault -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Tactics -- HO:Cyto(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Supremacy
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(36)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%(A), EndMod-I(13), EndMod-I(13)



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Oh, also worth noting -- I didn't forget about the -tohit in Dark, it's just that I don't want to rely on it to softcap me where possible!


 

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You don't need to softcap defense. A standard 25% defense is fine until you hit the iTrials. Most regular content you can do in your sleep without ANY defense bonuses. Also, take vengeance instead of tactics, especially for when you team. Endurance discounts in trains seem fine I suppose.


 

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I agree, you don't need to softcap defense. You have twilight grasp, and your ember demon will heal you and your pets, too. Your Dark Servant will also do some very nice healing.

I disagree with the Bookkeeper on his point about tactics. I take tactics for my lowest tier pets, esp if you want to tackle +4 content in the incarnate material.

Your demons and demon prince need endurance slotting to reduce the endurance for abilities that are not affected by pet damage IO set enhancements: for instance, the resist aura, the heal aura, the cold aura and slows.


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My plan with my Demons/Dark is to get resistance, not defense. I chose Soul Mastery over Mace.

IMHO, since Demons give you Resistance and apply resistance shields on themselves, I prefer to stack Dark Embrace. With Shadow Fall and the later, you'll have weak resistances to Fire and Cold, which are supplied by Demons, and you'll be able to protect your pets from Psi, the only damage type they can't resist.

ToHit debuffs and defense have synergy, no doubt. But I prefer to work with Demons advantages. Besides, Darkest Night + Dark Servant + Twilght's Grasp + Fearsome Stare will give you a lot of debuff.

I see you didn't get any Travel Power. I recommend you get one, unless you have something else in mind (Ninja run?)

The Bonuses from the Fighting Pool are small for MMs and they require that you take Boxing or Kick, which are useless. I would skip them.

I don't know why you took Petrifying Gaze if you intend to put just one slot in it. Hold Sets can give you the Recharge you are looking for. You could also couple it with Web Cocoon from Mace Mastery or other Patron Hold Power.

Try putting all 4 pet Uniques in Hell on Earth. Your pets will have +20% Resistance and +10% Defense.

I hope I could help!


 

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My Demons/Dark is softcapped, and I think its great.

I can tankermind most AVs and most situations, including itrials.


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Thanks for the feedback, you've all given me stuff to think about.

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Originally Posted by Mega_Jamie View Post
My Demons/Dark is softcapped, and I think its great.

I can tankermind most AVs and most situations, including itrials.
This is really nice to know too, thanks! Would you mind sharing your build?


 

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Originally Posted by Celestyna View Post
Thanks for the feedback, you've all given me stuff to think about.This is really nice to know too, thanks! Would you mind sharing your build?
No problem.

I've recently messed with in minds, so here is the work in progress of it.

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I always found endurance to be a problem.

Now i've overkilled that on live with having the Endurance based Alpha, and also the Endurance Based Destiny power. however this build has 3 free slots, to play with as is to play with.

Although probably I will put those in corruption / crack whip and keep my incarnate stuff as is, although I wouldn't blame anyone for switching in any other alpha, since I think the Destiny power more than covers it. O rlikewise factoring in the Destiny or defence/res buff too.


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Good stuff. Thanks much!