Praetorian Atlas and Galaxy Girl
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ArcticFahx,
Posted on: 2011-05-08 15:19 in Suggestions and Ideas
No thanks.
It'd feel too much like a slap in the face of the characters and their sacrifices to be like "Hey. In this TF you get to fight alternate Atlas, who's alive, well, and ready to kick your ***." Let's just leave it at fighting Tyrant and his Praetor Phalanx.
But we haven't even seen the Primal versions.
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They're not the same characters.
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Originally Posted by Xzero45
No thanks.
It'd feel too much like a slap in the face of the characters and their sacrifices to be like "Hey. In this TF you get to fight alternate Atlas, who's alive, well, and ready to kick your ***." Let's just leave it at fighting Tyrant and his Praetor Phalanx. |
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
Warning: This poster likes to play Devil's Advocate.
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Originally Posted by Vanden
But we haven't even seen the Primal versions.
They're not the same characters. |
very valid point. Not sure how they'd do Atlas exactly .. anyone have a genuine idea what the Primal Earth version's powers were? The statue shows him holding up the earth much like his mythilogical counterpart. So aside from getting really BIG what.. super strength?
Here is one they have yet to address. Okay so we know that Cole eliminated what would have been the praetorian version of Recluse but wouldn't there still be a version of Black Scorpion? Ghost Widow? Mako? and Scirocco? And since they'd be likely to be the opposite of their Primal earth counterparts they'd probably be part of the resistance so maybe they could be Crusaders a part of the more violent faction that have gone completely over the edge and need to be stopped before they destroy everything. Another possibility is they actually do work for Cole in some capacity so they are Loyalists but follow the Responsibility path rather than seeking ultimate Power.
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Belladonna Vetrano and Paolo Martino (Wretch) have both showed up already in the resistance storyline. BV is a high ranking resistance officer (who leans toward the warden side) and Paolo is a Praetorian officer who is feeding information to the resistance.
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Originally Posted by Back Alley Brawler
Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?
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Ghost Widow is a Resistance contact by the name of Belladonna Vetrano. The rest probably are either in other parts of the world, were wiped out by the whole world ending thing, or are simply no name civilians living their lives. Just because they're important in our world doesn't mean they have to be in that one. Look at Nemesis, for example. Died a simple toy maker.
And I'm aware Praetorian Atlas wouldn't be the same as Primal, but at this point in the story the only logical reason to throw him in would be for a brief shock factor of "Oh man, it's Atlas! And he's an end boss in this TF!" which would kind of be a little distasteful to his name and the fame/hype that goes with it. Let's just work with the Praetorian roster we've already established instead of seeing how many copies we can toss at the story.
See what you should be saying is that encountering the mirror versions of these characters won't mean anything when you don't know anything about the normal versions.
It's like if a guy robs your house, and then you find out he's also the cousin of Ed Paxton, Oklahoman account. His relation to some guy you don't know doesn't add any context to his antagonizing you.
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
Warning: This poster likes to play Devil's Advocate.
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Um... how? (Primal) Atlas lost his life defending Independence Port from Nazis in 1941, just like other famous heroes have defended the city and the world with their very lives.|
Originally Posted by Xzero45
And I'm aware Praetorian Atlas wouldn't be the same as Primal, but at this point in the story the only logical reason to throw him in would be for a brief shock factor of "Oh man, it's Atlas! And he's an end boss in this TF!" which would kind of be a little distasteful to his name and the fame/hype that goes with it.
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Praetorian Clockwork King doesn't have a physical body any more. Praetorian Dr. Vahzilok was the first Ghoul. Praetorian Ghost Widow isn't dead. Praetorian Invisible Falcon is known as Ghost Falcon, and is now a hero instead of a villain (as Invisible Falcon still is). Praetorian Lord Recluse was murdered at the Well of Furies. Praetorian Penelope Yin is the daughter of Vanessa DeVore, heiress to Yin Corp... and was forced to enroll in the Mother or Mercy Psychiatric Hospital. Praetorian Nemesis died a nobody. Praetorian Wretch was never caught in a fire, and lives today as a normal human being.
With alternate timelines between the two worlds, many lives have been drastically altered in Praetoria. How is it distasteful for a deceased Primal hero to be alive and well in Praetoria? We already have a deceased villain living and acting with the Resistance in Praetoria; is it somehow different because the Primal version hangs around as a ghost? What about characters whose Praetorian counterparts are dead, or counterparts whose lives are decidedly more crappy (Praetorian Aurora Borealis is still possessed by Mother Mayhem, years after Sister Psyche got her own body)?
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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Originally Posted by Xzero45
Ghost Widow is a Resistance contact by the name of Belladonna Vetrano. The rest probably are either in other parts of the world, were wiped out by the whole world ending thing, or are simply no name civilians living their lives. Just because they're important in our world doesn't mean they have to be in that one. Look at Nemesis, for example. Died a simple toy maker.
And I'm aware Praetorian Atlas wouldn't be the same as Primal, but at this point in the story the only logical reason to throw him in would be for a brief shock factor of "Oh man, it's Atlas! And he's an end boss in this TF!" which would kind of be a little distasteful to his name and the fame/hype that goes with it. Let's just work with the Praetorian roster we've already established instead of seeing how many copies we can toss at the story. |
Well they already added to what we used to have through Maria and Tina. In Sutter's TF we face the praetorian version of Fushionette and Faultline .. interesting enough they swapped genders and in Praetoria it's Fushion ( male) LOL not sure if he's as dumb as his Primal earth counterpart or not. There are plenty of heroes to convert but really since everyone knows that the preatorians tend to be exact opposites of our earth I don't think anyone would see it as being disrespectful of our Atlas. Still we do have a ton of other heroes we can turn into Praetorian villains and if our Atlas was dead long before the game began its quite possible their's is as well. Might have died in the DE wars.
�We�re always the good guys. In D&D, we�re lawful good. In City of Heroes we�re the heroes. In Grand Theft Auto we pay the prostitutes promptly and never hit them with a bat.� � Leonard
�Those women are prostitutes? You said they were raising money for stem cell research!� � Sheldon
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Ah, so THAT is who Riptide was supposed to be! |
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Mako?
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Except that Atlas and Galaxy Girl have been pretty extensively profiled in some form or another.|
Originally Posted by Vanden
See what you should be saying is that encountering the mirror versions of these characters won't mean anything when you don't know anything about the normal versions.
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If anything, encountering Praetorian versions could offer more glimpses into what those characters were like, seeing as how in Primal Earth they're both quite dead.
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I want see praetorian versions of some of primal earth's fallen heroes like Atlas and Galaxy Girl in future content!!!!